Monday, July 28, 2008

The ovary option

There has been a media blitz surrounding recent discussion of the pros and cons of surgical removal of the ovaries during hysterectomy (see Cochrane article below). But the most important issue has yet to be addressed: the uterus should rarely be removed in the first place.

The article below perpetuates a dangerous myth through the subliminal message that if your ovaries are left intact you’ll be fine if only your uterus is removed. Those who are unaware of the aftermath of hysterectomy, with or without castration, can join more than 400,000 others who have watched the HERS
12-minute video by clicking here: “Female Anatomy: the Functions of the Female Organs.”

If the analysis was a sincere effort to provide women with the information they need to make informed decisions about whether or not to allow a doctor to remove their ovaries, the article would have used the word castration, which conveys an immediate understanding of the gravity of their decision. The ovaries are the female gonads, the same as the testicles are the male gonads. The medically correct term for removal of the gonads is castration.

In the HERS Foundation’s ongoing study “Adverse Effects Data,” the experiences of hysterectomized women whose ovaries are left intact are strikingly similar to the women who are also castrated at the time of the surgery. Part of the reason for similar responses with or without castration is that in hysterectomized women whose ovaries aren’t removed, about 35-40% of the time the ovaries cease to function after hysterectomy, resulting in a de facto castration.

This information is public knowledge and has been published in peer-reviewed medical journals for more than a century, so neither journalists nor doctors who hold themselves out as experts in gynecology should get it wrong.

The response to these articles would be far different if the headlines read, “Should women be castrated during removal of other sex organs?”

Removing ovaries during hysterectomy: effects remain unknown
During hysterectomy operations, surgeons often remove a woman’s ovaries as well as her uterus. Cochrane Researchers now say there is no evidence that removing the ovaries provides any additional benefit and warn surgeons to consider the procedure carefully.

“Until more reliable research is available, removal of the ovaries at the time of hysterectomy should be approached with caution,” says lead researcher, Dr. Leonardo Orozco of the OBGYN Women’s Hospital San José in Costa Rica.

Of those women who undergo hysterectomies aged 40 or above, around half also have their ovaries removed. This amounts to more than 300,000 women a year in the US alone. The reason most commonly given for carrying out an oophorectomy at the same time is that it prevents ovarian cancer. However the ovaries produce not only estrogen, but also important hormones such as androgens that may have important clinical effects which have yet to be identified.

The researchers say there is little evidence to support the idea that removing the ovaries during a hysterectomy provides an overall health benefit. They identified only one controlled trial, involving 362 women. This compared hysterectomies with oophorectomies to hysterectomies without oophorectomies. Although this trial showed a very slight positive effect on psychological well-being when oophorectomies were performed, the team say much more data is required before any conclusions can be drawn.

“There could be a real benefit or harm associated with oophorectomy, but it has not been identified, more research of higher methodological quality is needed.” says Dr. Orozco.

Orozco LJ, Salazar A, Clarke J, Tristan M. Hysterectomy versus hysterectomy plus oophorectomy for premenopausal women. Cochrane Database of Systematic Reviews 2008, Issue 3. Art. No.: CD005638. DOI: 10.1002/14651858.CD005638.pub2. Cochrane Menstrual Disorders and Subfertility Group.

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At September 7, 2008 at 1:11 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

If hysterectomy is an elective surgery, then why are doctors telling women they NEED it? Why are they using scare tactics such as "it could be cancer" or "you might end up in ER", etc., Why don't they ever tell women it's an elective surgery, and not mandatory and not an emergency? Ching ching!

 
At September 7, 2008 at 1:28 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

In a study published in the Journal of Obstetrics and Gynecology last year, researchers found that hysterectomies had been "inappropriately" recommended to 367 of 497 women. In another study, 16% of women in seven health-care plans were found to have undergone hysterectomies for "clinically" wrong reasons. "We found quite a few women who weren't offered less invasive treatment. It's very disturbing," said Dr. Michael Broder, an assistant professor of obstetrics and gynecology at the University of California School of Medicine in Los Angeles. "It seems pretty likely there are more hysterectomies done in this country than can be justified…"

 
At September 7, 2008 at 6:10 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

hi i am 25. last year i had a complete hysterectomy, now i am having hormonal changes. i am on the vivelle dot. i am crying for no reason someone help me

 
At September 7, 2008 at 6:14 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I had a partial hysterectomy done 3 years ago and I want to know is it normal to lose your sex drive and when you have sex is it normal to be spotting blood?

 
At September 7, 2008 at 10:02 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hello Anonymous, You said, "Yes, I agree Halloween is the best time to let these OB/GYNs know what we think of their trickery and deceit!!!"
I couldn't agree more, get in touch with Hers and ask them to connect us, if they can!

 
At September 7, 2008 at 6:50 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

If I never had problems with my stomach but after having a hysterectomy my Doctor is telling me my issues can be caused from my gallbladder. Can having a hysterectomy cause gallbladder problems?

 
At September 7, 2008 at 10:35 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am a 34 year old woman married woman. I had a hysterectomy in 2001. I lost the ability to have an orgasim. Everything is OK with my marriage. No major changes. Any information on the subject woudl be helpful. Thank you.

 
At September 7, 2008 at 11:39 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

To Anonymous at 6:50PM

Surgically removing your uterus will have a profound effect upon your ovaries. Removing your ovaries will have a profound effect upon your endocrine glands and organs.

It should not be surprising to anyone that profound digestive problems arise after castration and or hysterectomy surgery.

I am astonished that the Gynecologists are legally allowed to tell their patients 'I never heard of that before' when they complain of digestive disorders after any female sex organ surgery.

Are these gynecologists insane?

It is medically impossible that you would not have such a result.

 
At September 8, 2008 at 7:25 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Soon gynecologists will be caught too. Ching ching!

A lawsuit brought on behalf of 82 patients who were allegedly subjected to unnecessary cardiac surgery at Redding Medical Center, Redding, northern California, has been filed in a Californian county superior court.
Nine of the 82 patients later died, and some of the deaths have been attributed to the unnecessary surgery, the lawsuit says. It further contends that a deliberate push for high profits prompted the hospital and doctors to perform inordinate numbers of highly profitable heart procedures, whether they were necessary or not.

Last October the Federal Bureau of Investigation raided the offices at the Redding Medical Center of cardiovascular surgeon Dr Chae Hyun Moon and director of cardiovascular surgery Dr Fidel Realyvasquez Jr, but no charges have yet been filed (BMJ 2002;325:1130).

A website set up by a Redding law firm, Hackard and Holt, has been offering free consultations to patients of Redding Medical Center, part of Tenet Healthcare Corporation. The website quotes the San Francisco Chronicle as saying that "an FBI affidavit filed in federal court in Sacramento contains allegations that as many as half of the heart surgeries and tests performed by the duo were unnecessary by ‘commonly held medical standards,' and that an estimated 25% were performed on patients who had no serious heart problems."

Since last October's FBI raid, the trickle of patients demanding their medical records has grown into a flood of more than 1800.

Operating room nurse Kim Schlenker said: "The entire hospital just rotated around Dr Moon—just one doctor." She said Dr Moon had so many patients lined up he would rush through delicate heart procedures. "We used to call them fire drills, because he was always in a hurry because he had more cases to do," she said.

With Dr Moon performing 10-12 cardiac catheterisations a day, about 2400 cardiac catheterisations were done at the Redding Medical Center last year. With its busy cardiac unit, the centre earned $94m (£59m; €82m) last year for Tenet—an incredible profit for a small regional hospital, says Dr Lee Pearce, a Tenet shareholder who is appalled by the company's practices. In 2001 the centre was Tenet's most profitable hospital in California, with net income of more than $69m, the lawsuit alleges.

Early last month the centre suspended its cardiovascular surgery and interventional cardiology programmes. Dr Realyvasquez, 54, took a 90 day leave of absence in February, to assist his lawyers. Dr Moon, 55, stopped his practice in February, saying he could not get malpractice insurance. He has resisted interviews, but he has said that he saved lives in Redding every day. "My living patients will be my witness," he has said.

 
At September 8, 2008 at 10:55 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm 43 years old, I had a a hysterectomy when I was 34. My gynecologist said I have a vaginal vault prolapse. I need to know how long I can go with this. Im having trouble emptying my bladder, cannot have intercourse, it so painful. Is there anything I can do to help this? It has caused me so much pain, money and limited my activity and employment. Any info would be help. Thank you.

 
At September 9, 2008 at 11:06 AM , Blogger HERS Foundation said...

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At September 9, 2008 at 1:17 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think my husband wishes I was dead now. Not the old me, but the new mutilated me must be a torture in itself for him. The predators attacked my husband too!

 
At September 9, 2008 at 1:32 PM , Blogger beenthere2 said...

Hello All,
I think I've finally figured this blog stuff out. Well, we'll see.
Most of this is directed to the lady who posted about vaginal vault prolapse. This may be lengthy but very important info for you.
In November of 2001 I, too, had TAH/BSO. Six weeks later, I was in the ER with vaginal vault prolapse w/enterocele. I was directed to a urogynecologist who made me feel like a bug on a glass and invited various drs, nurses, etc to come see the entercele. He recommended mesh placement.
Although he didn't perform the surgery I did have the horrible stuff implanted 4 mths later. To be honest, at the time I was just so relieved to know that IF this could happen to a woman, then at least there was a cure. I was terribly naive.
Most surgeons will recommend a mesh placement to correct this issue. DO NOT LET THEM DO THIS TO YOU. I cannot tell you how many women and men have had their previously healty lives destroyed by these synthetic meshes. They're used at a rate of 2000 per month just in gynecological procedures. These numbers do not begin to reflect the numbers of hernia patients that synthetic mesh is used for.
At the 2006 annual AUGS meeting, Dr Donald Ostergard warned urogynecologists and other medical professionals about the numerous complications and likelihood of legal ramifications surrounding these products. So, whatever you do, SYNTHTIVC MESH IS NOT AN OPTION.
Quite frequently, gynecologists use these implant devices during hysterectomy for prolapse and/or urinary incontinence (TVT,TOT) with or without the consent of the patient, and oftentimes, in spite of the patients' direct instructions not to use these devices.
My story is long and unfor-tunately, on-going. I developed an infection within the mesh and erosion at the apex of my vagina. The mersilene mesh that was used at the time of my surgery was no longer being used at all due to the morbid complications associated with it's use. It had to be explanted. The surgery was long and arduous, to quote the good dr, due to massive adhesions. He perforated my bowels and as a result, I had to have a colostomy. The incision for the colostomy became infected and I went home 6 wks later, with the colostomy bag and a massive abdominal hernia. I've since then undergone numerous surgeries to correct the damage and am still having on-going problems.
If I had to recommend something, first of all it would be to keep what God gave you. Don't allow a dr to remove your organs. They are there for a purpose. Secondly, do your homework. Find someone who will reattach your bladder or prolapses the old-fashioned way, without mesh. Thirdly, if you must have surgery to correct an issue such as vaginal vault prolapse and mesh is recommended...seek a urogynecologist who will use the biomaterials on the market.
At one time complications were numerous involving these products due to the transfer of other diseases. However, they've improved their sterilization procedures to the point that the fears of transmission of disease are no longer an issue. There are numerous types of bio-mesh available. Some of them are human cadaver products. Other materials are made of porcine and bovine.
There ARE other options.
I know from experience that vag. vault prolapse is a horrible experience and one that you don't ever want to deal with. But the 'cure' that most surgeons will offer is life threatening at worst and life-altering at the very least. Please search for a physician highly experienced in these procedures.
After my life-threatening ordeal with synthetic mesh, I still had 6 other surgeons recommend mesh placement for the repair of my HUGE hernia. When I say huge, I mean I looked every bit of 9 mths pregnant. The drs described it as 'massive'. I politely told each and every one of them, "Thanks, but no thanks. I'm not that crazy or desperate yet." I mean it nearly killed me once and my dear Grandma always said, "Once, shame on you...twice, shame on me."
I lost countless hours of sleep but finally discovered what I believed was the 'safest' material on the market and after many more months of research, was able to find a surgeon who specialized in this arena.
If you want you can call the organization and ask Nora to give you my number. Maybe she or I can help you locate a surgeon.
Good Luck and Godspeed
Deb

 
At September 9, 2008 at 2:09 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anesthetic and possible relationship to memory loss.

It was interesting watching the Dr. Phil show today which included his usual 5-Doctor panel, and Obstetrician and Gynecologist, Dr. Lisa Masterson.

They discussed the severe memory loss being experienced by one of the Show’s female participants who appeared via video clips. The video clip Mother told of recently giving birth to twins. (I am not referring to female Show Guest Tammy, who is left demeaning notes around the house, by her husband, Paul, mentioned in the online summary of today’s Show). The video clip participant Mother of twins is not mentioned directly in the online overview of today’s Dr. Phil show.

What was striking to me regarding the comments made on today’s Show (9-9-08), was that not one of the doctors on the show asked the Mother of twins whether surgery was involved in the birth of her twins and whether she was given any Anesthetic.

This would seem to be a necessary, PRIMARY question to be asked by anyone giving this Mother medical advice and direction. Don’t you think???


A previous female blogger on this website,(perhaps a month or more ago) has mentioned having a very similar type, memory-loss experience, after receiving a named Anesthetic she was given, for surgery. She names the Anesthetic in her blog post.

I have personally known Mothers who have had a similar memory-loss experience, along with cognitive difficulties, after giving birth. They have told me their doctor said the memory-loss issues were related to a particular Anesthetic given to them during the birthing procedure.

Is this an 'Anesthetic epidemic' problem the medical profession are hiding to protect themselves and their pockets? Ching! Ching!

We all know that hormone issues may affect memory function, nevertheless, it was VERY INTERESTING NO MENTION OF THIS ANESTHETIC ISSUE WAS MADE BY DR. LISA MASTERSON OR ANY OF THE OTHER DOCTORS ON THE SHOW TODAY!

Let us BOYCOTT OB/GYNs who are so useless, as to omit such an obvious question to any recent Mother, suffering the memory-loss symptoms described above.

 
At September 9, 2008 at 5:25 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

What is a vaginal vault prolapse?

 
At September 9, 2008 at 5:47 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

To Anonymous about Dr. Phil show. I didn't see the show. If I have this right the anesthesia that there talking about is an amnesia drug, called Versed. It is the most common they use for surgeries and procedures. I would like to explain a few things. I am taking this off the top of my head but I have done some research on this. If you look up versed it will tell you that versed stops your brain from forming memories. It also relaxes you. Does not put you to sleep!!! This next is the one that bothers me. Versed also makes you answer commands. Example. Someone tells you to lift your arm you will do it. Now if you think that you can trust your doctors there shouldn't be any harm in this. I don't trust doctors!! So why don't they want you to remember what are they are doing to you. So you don't remember the pain, or the bad experience. I would rather know then not know. I feel you have no closure about what has happened to you. You are always in doubt. So what do they really do to you? Do they use it so they don't have to administer any pain medicine? What about the Commands they give you? They can tell you to do WHATEVER they want you to do, which I find scary. I have had Versed used on me and no one has explain why they use it or the side effects to the medicine. The first time it was used on me was for the hysterectomy. The second time I was having the ureter tube fixed. I told the doctor that I refused any amnesia drug of any kind. Well guess what. They ignored my wishes. I should have put this on my consent form. I was so upset I called the doctor. He put the blame on the anesthesiologist. I talked with the anesthesiologist and he did apologies but they still ignored my right to refuse treatment. The anesthesiologist told me the side effect can last up to two weeks. Does this mean loss of memory up to two weeks? Rush hospital's in Chicago's web page says I have a right to refuse treatment and that right was violated. Now I am calling attorneys to see what I can do. One attorney told me they have that right to use it if they feel they need to. Well when is it ever needed to take away someone's memory if they want to remember. It is my decision not the doctors. It is not like putting someone to sleep for surgery. The next attorney I talked with told me to make sure I have one of those armbands that list allergies. If they don't do that then walk out of the hospital. This way it shouldn't be used on me ever again. The next attorney told me it is a violation of ethics because the doctor is miss representing what the he is actually going to do. If you really want to know more about this insane drug that should never be used on a human being, check out the Versed blogs that are out there. It will scare you. Another reason not to trust doctors.

 
At September 9, 2008 at 5:51 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I found this off a web page to help explain it better than I can. Vaginal vault prolapse occurs when the upper portion of the vagina loses its normal shape and sags or drops down into the vaginal canal or outside of the vagina. It may occur alone or along with prolapse of the bladder (cystocele), urethra (urethrocele), rectum (rectocele), or small bowel (enterocele). Vaginal vault prolapse is usually caused by weakness of the pelvic and vaginal tissues and muscles. It happens most in women who have had their uterus removed (hysterectomy).

 
At September 9, 2008 at 6:48 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the blogger posting about Versed

How long, and how severe were the after effects on you, for the first and the second time this drug was used on you?

You do not need to be too specific. Months or years would be sufficient.

 
At September 9, 2008 at 8:36 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

About Versed, the first time It was used on me I had crying spells eight weeks after surgery. The second surgery I had crying spell up to fifteen days. No one has yet to tell me any side effect to the medicine. I have asked doctors but they are reluctant to tell me. I was told the crying spells were from Versed. Versed also works backwards. I was given Versed in the surgery room but I don’t remember much before surgery. I also don’t remember telling the doctor to take my cervix if that is what I did. That is what the doctor told me I did. I am not sure about any other side effects. I haven't had much luck finding anything more about Versed.

 
At September 10, 2008 at 12:42 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Are these gynecologists insane?

 
At September 11, 2008 at 5:12 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't any of you research your condition before letting someone cut into you?? I always do extensive research into any condition I have been "diagnosed" with. Doctor's are not gods, feel free to question their "authority". On the other hand all this whiney "I'm a victim" crap is making me ill. Hysterectomy is a term that exactly describes the medical procedure of removal of teh uterus. "Castration", "amputation" and other terms are obviously being used to dramatic effect. Do your research before agreeing to surgery, but stop making it sound like someone attacked you and ripped out your uterus!

 
At September 11, 2008 at 5:22 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

We have been LIED to by Gynecologists. They are supposed to be trustworthy and the relationship between doctor and patient, is built on trust.

There was no internet in existence when I was told I needed my sex organ surgery several decades ago. Within days I was on the operating table, having been lured there by LIES!!!!

Our trust has been betrayed by the Gynecologists who have lied to us. We are WARNING others to be cautious.

Call it whyning if you wish. We call it WARNING OTHERS to be cautious about the LIES!!!

 
At September 11, 2008 at 8:22 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

To Anonymous at 5:12 I agree is sounds negative and outrageous. I am sorry to tell you this but it is the truth. I feel putting on rose colored glasses like the doctors do wouldn’t help anyone. There are ethical standards that the doctor is suppose to tell there patience. GYN’s have violated our rights. We are victims of a violent crime. Have you looked up Castration, amputation? Have you done your research? I thought doctors where to do the research and tell the patience. Why would I do research when I am to trust the doctor. So the doctor failed at her job. How would you feel when you could have kept your uterus? I exchanged one problem for ten more that can never be fixed. My life as it was is gone. Let me ask you a question. Did you just stop by to say hi or is the doctor recommending a hysterectomy for you. Did you do your research? Let me know what you find. I have found this web page to be the most accurate and the most informative about hysterectomies. Good luck in your search.

 
At September 11, 2008 at 9:24 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

To Anonymous who posted at 2008-09-11T17:12. You obviously didn't do extensive research before you posted on this blog. A "hysterectomy" is not as simple as your "uterus being removed", but that is what gynecologists would like you to believe, and clearly you have fallen for it too. The real truth is that a simple "hysterectomy" is performed by transecting (to cut across; dissect transversely) the round ligaments, incising (to cut into) the anterior leaf of the broad ligament along the bladder, dissecting (to cut apart) the bladder off the lower uterine segment (displacing the bladder from its natural position and causing injury), severing the uterine arteries, transecting the uterosacral ligaments and cardinal ligaments, amputating the uterus and cervix, sewing up the vagina into a closed pocket, leaving said ligaments hanging in a women's pelvic cavity (compromising pelvic support), leaving an empty hole for the bowel to shift down into (displacing the natural position of the bowel), severing all the nerves from the genital area to the internal sex organs and spine.

It is actually quite simple to look up the word castration in the dictionary. Here is the definition:

cas·trate /ˈkæstreɪt/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation [kas-treyt] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation verb, -trat·ed, -trat·ing, noun
–verb (used with object)

1. to remove the testes of; emasculate; geld.

2. to remove the ovaries of.

3. Psychology. to render impotent, literally or metaphorically, by psychological means, esp. by threatening a person's masculinity or femininity.

4. to deprive of strength, power, or efficiency; weaken: Without those ten new submarines, our navy will be castrated.


Please note #2. As you can see, "castration" is not a word used for a dramatic effect, it is the accurate term for the removal of ovaries. No one would accuse someone of being dramatic if they referred to a castrated man as being castrated. Yet, doctors would have the uneducated believe that removing ovaries is nothing more than removing an egg sack. They would never want women to know that it is castration, and that it also very negatively impacts their endocrine system.

Anonymous, are you saying that it's okay for doctors to lie to women to get them into surgery, and then proceed to amputate all their sex organs and castrate them without any medical justification because the women did not do more research?

The women who post on this blog are courageous and honest to speak out about how they've been de-sexed and mutilated. This is a humanitarian effort to stop this from happening to other women. This is a crime against humanity and more and more innocent unsuspecting women are being targeted every day. Afterall, the OB/GYN's have a quota of over 600,000 hysterectomies per year. They are very clever in how they dupe women into this surgery. They've been doing it for over 50 years, and they've gotten to over 1/3 of the female population in the United States.

If anyone is whining, it is you. You come on a blog without any understanding of a subject and then complain and whine at women who are posting the truth, all the while bragging about how you research everything.

 
At September 12, 2008 at 5:06 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

A woman does research her condition and seeks the opinion of consultants. To do this several times is expensive and many simply don't have the financial means for this. Women historically earn less than their better off male brethren.

A woman will discuss the options and may decide to trust the person who is performing the surgery. However once the anaesthetic is administered the woman is entirely in the hands of the surgeon. Many women, especially those over 40 electing for this procedure, will have their ovaries removed at the same time - often without consent. I have tried to research how many hysterectomies and oopherectomies are done with NED in the pathology, and the information is hard to obtain online without paying for it. However if I were a betting person I'd put my money on there being many.

It's criminal, called assault and battery, to remove healthy body parts from a person. However the uterus and ovaries seem to be on a par with a body part as insignificant as an appendix. Certainly if someone was put through an appendectomy unnecessarily they would have legal grounds for assault and battery.

However the gynaecologist often uses emotive language to support their criminal actions. Phrases such as preventing ovarian, cervical, uterine cancer trip off the honey coated tongue. If this were a man being operated on - eg prevention of testicular cancer, prostate, penile there would be an outrage. However I could never envisage such a thing.

How to redress the issue is what is at the core of this blog. There is a petition. Sign it. There is a video. Watch it. There is your voice in condemnation. Use it.

 
At September 12, 2008 at 8:11 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

DETECTIVES are investigating claims that a disgraced gynaecologist faked his own death to avoid possible prosecution for rape and sexual assault.
Rodney Ledward ? who fled to Ireland after 60 women claimed he assaulted them ? was said to have lost a battle with cancer in October last year.

But in recent months FOUR women, including alleged rape victim Vivien Theobald, say they have seen him. Police want to discover if Ledward faked his death ? like Reggie Perrin in the TV comedy which starred Leonard Rossiter.

Ledward, 62, was dubbed "The Butcher" after leaving up to 4,000 women physically and mentally scarred.

He botched ops and carried out unnecessary hysterectomies. Six men, whose wives died, asked for a police investigation.

Ledward worked at a hospital in Ashford, Kent, and a private practice in Folkestone. He was struck off the medical register in 1998.

But then came the sex assault allegations ? including one from a girl of 18 who says she was raped ? and he fled.

They get in trouble if they rape you, but if they amputate your sex organs for no reason, that's okay.

 
At September 13, 2008 at 6:58 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is an excerpt from "The American Journal of Obstetrics and Diseases of Women and Children" Published in 1899. Yes, you read that correctly, 1899. It clearly shows that in 1899, gynecologists knew very well that the uterus and ovaries were important organs. They felt it was a "higher order of ability and..a truer and nobler triumph of ...art to save an organ...than to destroy."

"Few in this age will oppose the statement that it requires a higher order of ability and is a truer and nobler triumph of our art to save an organ or part of an organ than it does to destroy it by sacrificial surgery.

In the early days of our Society and before its organization, reputations were made by such thorough removal of ovarian and uterine growths as to prevent forever any further exercise of function by these important organs. Now, thanks to a wiser and truer conservatism, the most skillful and conscientious operator is not only not ashamed of, but takes a just pride in, his ability to save instead of destroy. He removes by resection or enucleation the diseased portions of the ovary and tube, or by myomectomy removes the tumor from the uterus and saves the woman her sex and its glorious possibilities."

This is clear evidence that the gynecologists are deceiving women and that they knew over a hundred years ago how to save the uterus and ovaries. This is no less than criminal behavior and they all should be prosecuted. Boycott OB/GYN's.

 
At September 13, 2008 at 11:25 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh yes, Boycott OB/GYN's, that'll show em. And when you die from undiagnosed cervical cancer you'll have the last laugh! Look, medicine is an art as much as a science. Doctors are just people and they make mistakes, and yes some of them are incompetent or even evil. But most of them actually want to help you. This conspiracy theory mentality that all OB/GYNs are out to get women is getting out of hand. Cervical cancer used to be one of the major killers of women in the USA and now only kills a fraction of the anount is used to- mostly women who don't get a pap smear. One person's experience may be a warning, but only a scientific study can give you reliable information about the relative safety and side effects of a medical treatment or procedure. This web site would be of more use if there was more sharing of actual validated information and less hysterical conspiracy theory hype.

 
At September 13, 2008 at 9:09 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

To Anonymous who posted at 2008-09-13T11:25. Diagnosed cervical cancer consists of less than 1.8% (less than 2%) of the hysterectomy/castration operations that are performed by gynecologists per year, yet your post inaccurately makes it sound like an epidemic. That means out of the over 650,000 hysterectomies performed per year, less than 12,000 are performed because of cervical cancer. For the other over 500,000 women per year who do not have cancer, and who are given a hysterectomy with no medical basis, their risk for osteoporosis, heart attacks, dementia and osteoporosis increase significantly. Nearly twice as many women in the United States die of heart disease, stroke and other cardiovascular diseases as from all forms of cancer, including breast cancer. When hysterectomy/castration is performed, it increases a woman's risk for a heart attack and cardiovascular disease which is the number one killer of women in the United States.

Gynecologists have removed the sex organs of over one-third (1/3) of the women in the United States. There are currently over 22 million women in the U.S. who do not have female organs. That is NOT a mistake. That is NOT an oops. That is NOT a simple lapse in judgment. That is not done by a few bad OB/GYN's. Gynecologists have significantly increased the statistic for female heart disease by performing so many unnecessary surgeries on women. Gynecologists will hysterically tell women they might have cancer even though there is no confirmed diagnosis of it. Once the woman is under anesthesia and there is no cancer found, the gynecologist proceeds to remove all her sex organs regardless. This is the standard of care in the United States. There is no other area of medicine where organs are removed when cancer is not present except female organs.

There are a few doctors who are courageous enough to speak out about the abuse of this surgery on women. Studies have shown that there is no medical justification for over 70% of the hysterectomies being performed every year. There are hundreds of articles on the internet showing the same facts, yet because this is a 17 billion dollar a year industry, OB/GYN's will not give it up willingly. The educational medical information that is found on the HERS Foundation website is not easily found anywhere else. That is because as long as these doctors can keep the truth a secret, they will continue to make 17 billion dollars a year off of removing women's sex organs.

If you don't agree with boycotting OB/GYN's, then what would you suggest be done to stop the abuse of hysterectomy/castration surgery? Doctors are deceiving women every day to get them under the knife. Most women don't even realize they've been lied to. What would you suggest would be the answer to holding these doctors to a higher ethical standard? How would you go about stopping this abuse targeted at women before 1/2 the women in the United States do not have sex organs?

 
At September 13, 2008 at 10:27 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

At Friday, September 12, 2008 4:00:00 PM, Maurice Bernstein, M.D. said...

"You know, I was looking back at my discussion with js md in January of this year and I think he was really stressing that we all should be considering what is the last part of the title of this thread "hysteria vs realism". This thread has been saturated with the very uncomfortable experiences of a number of visitors. But, in fact, are we seeing and hearing the whole picture? How does one explain that there are no writers to this blog who have found hysterectomy with or without ovariectomy an effective but also benign therapeutic procedure? I mean effective in the sense that the pathologic process and symptoms have been successfully removed. I mean benign in the sense that the patient was not harmed or made symptomatic by the procedure. Where are those women? Is it because there are virtually none or is it because they are involved in other interests now and not concerned with a blog thread that is dealing with the hysterectomy issue and not interested to spend their time reading or writing on the subject? This is the problem with obtaining a statistical overview by just looking at the comments to a blog or website. I am not saying that the suffering of the individual writers here are not real but of all the hysterectomies performed how many are really unsuccessful or the patient is left injured for life? Could there be as the title of this thread suggests a possibility of more hysteria than realism regarding the outcome of hysterectomy? ..Maurice.


http://bioethicsdiscussion.blogspot.com/2008/01/use-vs-abuse-of-hysterectomy-hysteria.html


Gynecologists of America, please be informed your legal deceit ends here and now.! At present there are doctors who are seeing the destruction you are causing and the lies-You, Gynecologists of America, are inflicting upon innocent victims you see as patients. You Gynecologists of America are lying and doctors of America can prove it.


Hide your head in shame you predators because we are coming to get you! Coming (no pun intended) to Stop YOU, from your pleasurable mutilation of women for profit by deceit, Gynecologists of America.


Run and hide Gynecologists of America! You will be as embarrassed as We (the mutilated and de-sexed by hysterectomy/castration) Are!


You Gynecologists of America have done this to 22 Million Women alive today, not mentioning the women who have died because of your legal malice and sick demented mental disorder. You Gynecologists of America, must take the responsibility for your actions. It may be legal for you to shame us and de-sex us, you have done this legally to most. But, you have Not done hysterectomy/castration medically. You have been disgraced and this is your legacy, whether you like it or not, you are responsible.


The medical facts are at your heals. The Men of this country will stop you! Oh yes, the MEN of this country will STOP YOU! From de-sexing our females by deceit for profit. Gynecology is no longer the practice of the legal psychopathic. You Gynecologists of America have not got a leg to stand on, you are not giving women the correct medical information, that is a medical fact. And the time for you Gynecologists of America to take your medicine and state the truth is NOW. What you have done for over fifty years to the women, including me, is a sin and a moral disgrace and until now a legal medical assault.


You Gynecologists of America are a disgrace to humanity. Hysterectomy/Castration is a crime against Humanity. If you think the genital mutilation of the African jungle women is an atrocity, it does not compare to what you have medically done to us the masses of American women mutilated by the Gynecologists of America, by deceit for profit.


THE MEN AND WOMEN OF AMERICA WILL STOP YOU! RUN AND HIDE YOUR HEAD IN SHAME GYNECOLOGISTS OF AMERICA, THIS IS YOUR LIVING LEGACY! WE WOMEN ARE NOT IGNORANT, WE WERE TRICKED BY YOU, AND YOUR DECEIT ENDS NOW! YOUR REIGN OF TERROR ENDS NOW! THIS IS HISTORY IN THE MAKING ON THE INTERNET. YOU HAVE NO MEDICAL FACTS TO RIDE ON GYNECOLOGY, HOLD EM' OR FOLD EM' (NO PUN INTENDED)

 
At September 14, 2008 at 10:51 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

To Mattie:

You are right! You should avoid the OB/GYN and run straight to the mental health counselor! Yikes. No wonder the 19th century doctors treated women for "hysteria"! And to the post that pointed out that only a small percentage of hysterectomies are performed because of cervical cancer, I find you tunnel vision interesting. I was pointing out that boycotting all OB/GYN's will be dangerous to your health since you would not be diagnosed with the disease. I personally am a bit more concerned with staying alive as long as possible than I am with making sureall my organs make it to the grave with me. I'm already missing tonsils and a gallbladder, and if I were diagosed with endometrial carcinoma you better believe I'll have an immediate hysterectomy! However for other problems there are less drastic measures that can be taken. But if you have not been diagnosed by a specialist, ie an OB/GYN than you don't have the information you need to make an informed decision and you may die in ignorance. By the way I work in the medical feild as a cytotechnologist. I read pap smears and other slides to diagnose various other forms of cancer. I've also looked at medical websites such as the Mayo Clinic and they mention less drastic treatments for conditions such as fibroids and also point out the emotional distress women may experience after a hysterectomy. These sites don't make it sound like modern doctors think the only treatment for any condition is the removal of the uterus. When I went to the OB/GYN recently for excessive bleeding I brought up hysterectomy as a possiblity and the Doctor said "let's back up here, that's a treatment of last resort and we don't even know what we are dealing with yet". Not exactly the evil uterus-hungry ogre of an OB/GYN that one would expect after reading the posts on this site!

 
At September 14, 2008 at 11:46 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I guess there are those who may visit this website who believe that the bloggers here telling their horror stories of how they were lied to, and deceived by their OB/GYNs, may think that we victims are among a minority of uneducated, ignorant females who jumped into surgery because we did not bother to check out the facts.

NO! NO! and NO again!

We are educated, intelligent, trusting females who consulted with our OB/GYNs when we became sick, vulnerable and in need of medical care. We are just like you, and whether educated and/or intelligent or not, we are ALL entitled to be told the medical truth from our OB/GYNs, and so are you!

We are no different to those who, even today, are seeking truthful, honest answers and advice from their OB/GYNs.

If the OB/GYNs, even TODAY, continue to hide the truth, and deny that the truthful medical facts revealed by this website and the HERS Foundation for so many years about the after-effects of hysterectomy, is any indication of what the average OB/GYN patient faces, you can begin to see the huge proportions of this dilema.

No matter how obvious the TRUTH is regarding the devastation to a woman when hysterectomy is performed...

no matter what FACTS are brought to the OB/GYN by their patient, to ask the opinion of their OB/GYN BEFORE their patient agrees to surgery...

these lying, purposefully deceitful OB/GYNs continue to lie to their patients, and deny the truth to their patient!

All for the love of money, because in the majority of cases, there is no other justification to be doing what they are doing to us.

That is why we are WARNING the intelligent, innocent, trusting patients today, (like we all are) who consult with their OB/GYNs for medical advice.

Be aware that these lying, licenced OB/GYN predators have the legal right to lie to you, the legal right to deceive you, and you have no legal right to defend yourself when this permanent surgery has been performed on you by these dishonest Ob/GYNs.

Every one of us thought we could trust our OB/GYN. I did. He looked honest, made eye contact with me as he spouted his lies and omitted to give me all the facts regarding this surgery. My OB/GYN had lots and lots and lots of wall hangings describing his vast training and qualifications etc. He was a family man, highly regarded by those in the medical field, and socially.

That still did not prevent him from lying to me and deceiving me!

These surgeries can not be reversed, and you have no legal rights after this has been done to you, no matter how much you begin to see the TRUTH, AFTER these surgeries have been done to you!

BEWARE of these LYING, DECEITFUL, MONEY-GREEDY PREDATORS, hiding as medical practitioners behind the licence of OB/GYN.

I am a victim of their mutilation, which was done to me with no medical justification, at age 24.

I was never informed of the short term or long term health hazards I would be exposed to, because of the removal of my two ovaries, uterus and cervix at the tender age of 24.

Yes, BOYCOTT these lying, deceitful OB/GYNs!

 
At September 14, 2008 at 11:49 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

HERS will be running to congress to stop gynecologists from de-sexing women for profit by deceit by having a law passed to stop the perpetration.
2 % of the women in the country is a lot less than are now suffering after being hysterectomized and castrated by deceit. Hystererectomy/Castration fuels the medical industry by deceit. You should know that if you are reading the statistics of how many of these hysterectomy/castration operations are performed, every year for benign conditions. If the ob/gyn doctors and others in the medical field (who's job's count on the testing of women for female sex organ disease) want to regain any credibility, they will need to stop the many proven predators among them who are meeting these astronomical benign quota's every year.
BTW, I can't be insulted any more than I already have been by hysterectomy/castration by deceit. So don't bother!

 
At September 14, 2008 at 1:40 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

To Anonymous regarding cervical cancer. I think the definition of tunnel vision would be more fitting for a person who can only see one facet of this subject (to continue the status quo). Sure, based on cervical cancer alone, should we just let gynecologists amputate the sex organs of 1/3 of the population of women in the United States and ignore the fact that the major percentage of operations are being performed on women with benign conditions where less-invasive alternatives are available? If your story about your gynecologist is correct, and if you believe the majority of them act in the same manner, then please explain how over a half a million hysterectomies are performed every year on women with benign conditions? Please explain how there could be over 22 million women alive today without a uterus if this surgery was being used only as the last resort?

I think that it might make any woman hysterical to be lied to and deceived into having her sex organs removed, only to find out after the fact, there was no medical basis for it. As Mattie said, there's no worse insult than being hysterectomized and castrated. Losing one's ability to become aroused, have an orgasm, have increased risk for heart disease, osteoporosis, dementia, etc., is difficult to live with. The real people who need a mental health counselor are gynecologists who do this to unsuspecting women.

I notice that you completely ignored the questions I asked you in my last post. If you don't agree with boycotting, how would you suggest that unnecessary hysterectomy be stopped?

 
At September 14, 2008 at 3:48 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I can not recommend too strongly that anyone contemplating hysterectomy, obtain from their OB/GYN, IN WRITING what that OB/GYN thinks the upsides are, and what the downsides are, to the particular type of hysterectomy surgery under consideration by that patient.

Having this in writing is not likely to offer any legal or any other protection whatever to the patient, in my opinion.

My only reason for suggesting this is that AFTER the surgery, when the female patient begins to experience the after-effects from this devastating surgery, the patient will at least have something to prove what they were told and what they were NOT told, prior to this surgery.

Maybe then, some of their medical colleagues will begin to believe us.

That way, these patients, after the surgery will be better able to prove the OB/GYN lies. The legal lies these OB/GYN are licenced to tell their patients.

It is understandably very difficult for any reasonable, sane and fair-minded person to believe that these Gynecologists are lying through their teeth to their patients.

If it had not happened to me, I would find it very difficult to believe and would seriously question the intent and motive of the accusing patient.

After all, our doctors and OB/GYNs on occasions provide character references for some of their patients, don't they? So why would we think they would lie to us in their consultation room?

I think some OB/GYNs may sometimes be called upon by the legal system to give their professional opinion as evidence in court, etc. in some civil or criminal cases. This suggests they are considered reputable and honest, I suppose.

I certainly trusted my OB/GYN, and he deliberatly, knowingly and intentionally betrayed that sacred trust.

The fact that I am in shock (or, if you wish to use the word 'hysterical', that's your choice) now that I know the truth, should be no surprise to anyone.

Why all the surprise when we, reasonable, sane, intelligent victims begin to expose the lies in this Gynecological area of medicine?

These OB/GYNs can now label us, their post surgery victims, as 'unstable', irrational, unreasonable, etc. etc... and they will be believed...

After, all, they have a licence to lie, a white coat to prove their 'professional status' and full legal protection and immunity under our judicial system.

Where are our rights, as their victims?

 
At September 14, 2008 at 9:58 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

male in mich.
I just read some catch up posts and was surprised to read the one posted defending the medical profession. While medicine has it's place in many forms of treatment I can tell the story of my wife. She was scared into thyroid surgery and then 3 years later she was told by her OB/GYN "yep that uterus has to come out". "Oh the sex will be great". What sex? She originally had no problems with her thyroid, under my protests she proceeded. There was a small nodule that "might" be cancer. Didn't even try blood tests, just cut. In the span of 4 years her health spiraled downward. She see's 2 different doctors that can't help her with any of her symtoms. She is devoid of the capability of intimate feelings. She has basically given up on our over 30 year marriage. Did I mention, when they found out she had insurance they couldn't schedule the surgery's soon enough. Many doctors are probably well meaning. Good OB/GYN's are hard to come by, especially those who care for their patients after treatments. As a man married to a hysterectomized woman my advice to the men, don't let them do it to your wife unless you know what the long term complications are. Men just ask yourself, what will I feel like after they "castrate" me. Will I desire a loving sexual relationship with my wife. Removing the connections in the endocrine system usually leads to various health issues life long, some more severe than others. But in the long run never good for life longevity.

 
At September 14, 2008 at 11:04 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

To anonymous Sept 14, 1:40pm:

I cannot see boycotting OB/GYNs as a sensible solution considering you would be punishing yourself. If you were never diagnosed with cervical cancer you wouldn't have to worry about hysterectomy, you'd be dead. Perhaps you could boycott unnecessary hysterectomies. Unless you have invasive cancer there are other options for most of the problems OB/GYNs like to solve with hysterectomy. There are at least 4 other treatments for fibroids, and even in the instance of cancer the patient has the option to have only the cancerous material removed and hope it hasn't spread. No one can operate on you without your permission. Now obviously decades ago there was less information available to the public and many women were convinced they needed hysterectomies who didn't.

The post claiming that hysterectomy was worse than female genital mutilation (also know as clitoridectomy and infibulation) was shocking in it's lack of knowledge of anatomy and other cultures. It is not "African Jungle Women" who are being subjected to this form of mutilation and torture. The practice occurs in many African and Middle Eastern Cultures and is usually done to children who are defenseless and performed with the use of an unsterilized knife and no anesthesia. Please don't compare that to the procedure you volunteered for as an adult, in a nice clean hospital!!

 
At September 14, 2008 at 11:14 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

To anonymous Sept 14th 11:46am

you said "I am a victim of their mutilation, which was done to me with no medical justification, at age 24" Surely some justification was given. You didn't just show up at the hospital with no explanation of why you were there?! The doctor did mention a reason why he/she wanted to remove your uterus and ovaries?! You say you were lied to so I'm assuming the "reason" given for the surgery is what you consider a lie. No one would lie down for surgery without soem explaination of why they were having it!

 
At September 14, 2008 at 11:45 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why don't you want the epidemic lie of hysterectomy/castration by deceit for profit to end?

 
At September 14, 2008 at 11:55 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hysterectomy/Castration genital mutilation by deceit, for profit in the U.S.A, is medically more severe, than the genital mutilation done to the women of Africa, Fact.

 
At September 15, 2008 at 12:40 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

"medically more severe"?! What, like ounce per ounce?? Have you lost all sense of proportion? Are you actually saying that having your clitoris removed with a rusty knife and no anesthesia is better than a hysterectomy?! You have GOT to be kidding.

 
At September 15, 2008 at 3:14 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

To Anonymous regarding cervical cancer and now genital mutilation. You suggested that instead of boycotting OB/GYN's, that we should boycott unnecessary hysterectomies. Could you please explain exactly how the women in the United States would go about boycotting them? How would you suggest that we get the word out to all the women in the United States so that could be done?

There is no question that genital mutilation is a barbaric and torturous procedure. However, if you compare that to what is done during a hysterectomy, there is little difference in the end result of the massive damage that is done to a woman. The uterus and cervix don't just pop out like a pop tart out of a toaster. A hysterectomy is performed by transecting (to cut across; dissect transversely) the round ligaments, incising (to cut into) the anterior leaf of the broad ligament along the bladder, dissecting (to cut apart) the bladder off the lower uterine segment (displacing the bladder from its natural position and causing injury), severing the uterine arteries, transecting the uterosacral ligaments and cardinal ligaments, amputating the uterus and cervix, sewing up the vagina into a closed pocket (shortening the vagina), leaving said ligaments hanging in a women's pelvic cavity (compromising pelvic support), leaving an empty hole for the bowel to shift down into (displacing the natural position of the bowel), severing all the nerves from the genital area to the internal sex organs and spine, and amputating ovaries which causes increased risk for heart attacks, osteoporosis, dementia, etc., and which causes sexual dysfunction. The damage that is done to the vagina when it is sewn into a pocket and shortened can cause a lifetime of severe pain, not to mention chronic lower abdominal pain, hip pain and the inability to orgasm or become aroused. It is at the very least as destructive and barbaric as genital mutilation minus the dirty knife and lack of anesthesia. This is also done to defenseless women in the United States while they under anesthesia. Please explain how hysterectomy and the damage it causes is so much more fun than genital mutilation?

The fact is that women do not have to consent to hysterectomy/castration to have it done to them. There are many cases where women are told they have a tumor in their uterus or a mass on their ovary and that it might be cancer. When a woman is told she might have cancer, it is justifiable for her to agree to surgery based on that premise. The woman is only agreeing to surgery because she is told she "might" have cancer. She is not agreeing to surgery for any other reason. However, when she wakes up she learns that she was given a hysterectomy, her cervix was removed and her ovaries were removed, she would assume cancer was found. However, she is soon told that no cancer was found. If you care to research it, you will find this to be true. Women also have been hysterectomized in emergency settings for ectopic pregnancies, ovarian torsion, and other minor problems that could be easily solved with minor surgery and preserve all the female organs. In a sick twisted world, you might describe that as consent, but it is hardly consent. You may personally know of the alternatives to hysterectomy, but all you have to do is read some popular message boards and you can see what women are really being told by their gynecologists.

Recently a women in her 50's posted that was told she had an ovarian mass. She said that her doctor told her she needed a total hysterectomy. When she asked him why he couldn't just remove the cyst, he told her that he would not go in just to remove a cyst and that she needed the hysterectomy. She was posting on a message board asking for opinions. The responses varied. Some told her she needed a second opinion, others told her that at her age, she should just get the hysterectomy and be done with it all because it was the best thing they ever did. This woman was actually afraid that she had cancer and the doctor just didn't want to tell her since he was being so mysterious about why he wanted to perform the total hysterectomy.

In a lawsuit, a 22 year old woman was given an unnecessary hysterectomy when she was told she had endometriosis, but none was found in the pathology report. A doctor amputated her healthy organs without any justification. This is all too common.

This is done to women every day, behind closed doors. Most women do not get copies of their pathology reports so they never know the truth. Often when more educated women ask about myomectomy, they are told that it is not a good option because the fibroid will just grow back (which is completely untrue). Women are being deceived about this surgery by the masses. That is why one-third (1/3) of the population of women in the U.S. do not have their sex organs. That is why there are over 22 million women alive today who have been hysterectomized.

You could only know how this feels if it happened to you. You have stated that if a doctor told you were diagnosed with cancer, that you would have an immediate hysterectomy. Imagine thinking you had cancer, and went into have the hysterectomy done. You wake up relieved that you are rid of the cancer. Then you get a copy of your pathology report and there was no cancer found. Imagine what that shock might feel like. Then imagine trying to explain it to people, but no one believes you. They would tell you things like, well the doctor must have had a good reason (yet there wasn't one). They would tell you it's your fault because you consented to it (that's ridiculous because you only consented on the basis that you had cancer). You are right, no one can operate on you without your permission, but that's where the lines get blurred. You can agree to be operated on, that doesn't mean you agree to have all your female organs removed unless there's a very good reason, but you don't get that choice when you are under anesthesia and unable to fend for yourself. And finally, you would be referred to as hysterical and nutty when you tried to protect other women from the same fate. No one would believe you. That is the reality of what is going on in the United States. I will again ask, if every doctor is only performing hysterectomy as a last resort, how are they managing to perform 650,000 every year, and 90% of those for benign conditions? For that to be true, you would have to believe that most women volunteer to have all their organs removed instead of just having a fibroid or ovarian cyst removed in a minor surgery. Any reasonable thinking person would find that ridiculous.

The fact is that gynecologists are paid far more to perform a hysterectomy which takes less time than a myomectomy or cystectomy. Myomectomy or cystectomy pay the doctor only about one-third of hysterectomy and it takes considerably longer.

We will never be able to end genital mutilation in other countries while women are being mutilated by the masses in the United States by OB/GYN's who deceive women into this profitable surgery.

 
At September 15, 2008 at 8:59 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

While the majority of FGM do happen in the homes of the families by non medical people involving 'surgical' instruments of a dubious and dangerous nature many girls are taken by wealthier parents to medically trained people (doctors) as was discovered by the Pacific Institute for Women's Health Yemen study 2000.

Caroline Richmond is a medical writer and herself was the victim of a TAHBSO without the proper consent. She did try to get the surgeon prosecuted but this was dropped due to lack of evidence.

www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/308/6937/1163/a

It's hard to fathom that this mutilation of women exists in such a large scale. But it happens.

 
At September 15, 2008 at 11:59 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

To Anonymous of Sept 14, 1:40PM

I believe you referred to some of my posts. It appears you may have only glanced briefly at a few recent posts to this blog and jumped right in, based on your recent comments.

I have made several posts on this site and explained at length, the details of my particular castration/hysterectomy circumstance. I, like so many other women who have posted to this blog, was not fully or accurately informed about the after effects of the castration and hysterectomy surgery done on me at age 24. Misinformation and lack of full disclosure by my OB/GYN BEFORE surgery, does not constitute ‘consent’ in my mind. I therefore consider my castration and hysterectomy done to me at age 24 to be ‘unwarranted’ and without consent from me.

I ended up on the operating table a few days after consulting with my OB/GYN because I was too young to know better and he used the hackneyed, usual ‘cancer’ scare on me. My Mother had died and my Father had his own health issues to deal with at that time and so I was vulnerable to all the scare tactics applied by my OB/GYN.

The pathology results proved negative after the ovarian cyst was removed. Also, I was persuaded by my OB/GYN to agree to have my second ovary, uterus and cervix removed, ‘just in case you do get cancer in any of those other organs later on in life. As each goes by, I can not give you a guarantee that you will not get cancer in those organs. If you keep those organs, you stand the chance of getting cancer later on ...’.

Hindsight is 20/20 vision.

I was duped by my OB/GYN for profit to his own pocket!!!

My lack of any quality of life, since my surgery, compels me to warn every woman about my experience and the fact that I WISH THAT I HAD DIED AT THE TIME OF MY SURGERY, because of what I have experienced health-wise and in every other aspect of my life since my surgery. I speak from 36 years, post surgery hindsight!

Now that I know what I know, through my personal experience with castration and hysterectomy done to me at age 24, I would say to anyone who asked me, that I would have preferred death, to the life I have had to ‘endure’ since this surgery was done to me without justification or 'consent'.

I would like to respectfully suggest to you that you read more extensively on this blog, and the other HERS blogs on this topic/website, before continuing to make your comments. Your recent comments reflect your lack of familiarity with the real issues on this blog.

And, by the way, I strongly suggest we BOYCOTT the lying OB/GYNs.

I have yet to meet one who has not lied to me. I no longer have any use for any OB/GYN because I have made the very personal decision to allow myself to die of any possible gynecological health issue I might develop in the future, rather than consult any of them. You see, my quality of life now, and ever since my surgery, is such, that death would be a relief for me, and a comforting place - when I consider the current alternative.

This is my honest opinion.

 
At September 15, 2008 at 4:16 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

My honest opinion is that you are in serious need of counselling. Have you seen a psycholgist about your issues?

 
At September 15, 2008 at 5:35 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

With reference Maurice Bernstein, MD’s blog-site titled ‘Bioethics Discussion blog’ mentioned in Mattie’s posting to this HERS site on Fri 9-12-08, below is his comment posted today, excluding the ‘commentary’ he attached to it:

QUOTE:
‘Toni wrote me that she was unable to get the following commentary published here which she wrote yesterday. I will post it below. However, as you have seen, there are a host of stories written here in the last few days of the horrors of hysterectomies and removal of the ovaries both from the symptom point of view but also from the view that unnecessary procedures are being carried out by surgeons and without fully and validly informed consent by the patient. I feel these stories are important to tell and are personally tragic but from a bioethics discussion aspect, formal discussion should consist more than personal stories, the points and issues that are made should be documented with facts and original resources where statistically significant studies have been performed either epidemiologic or pathophysiologic to support the writer's points and issues. HERS provides an excellent activistic medium but for ethical discussion on a blog like this, we need facts. ..Maurice … …’ END QUOTE

I visited Dr. Bernstein’s blog yesterday (Sunday) morning. I submitted a second comment to his site yesterday because my first posting did not appear immediately after submitting it. Neither of my Sunday postings have yet appeared on his site.

Methinks Dr. Bernstein has been flooded with personal horror stories of what has been done to us castration and hysterectomy victims by his colleagues, the OB/GYNs!


Personal experiences do not matter to medical folks like Dr. Bernstein, so when he says, Quote, ‘I feel these stories are important to tell and are personally tragic …’ I suggest you take that with a huge grain of salt!

If my interpretation of Dr. Bernstein’s first above quote is accurate, he obviously expects ALL his bloggers who post their personal hysterectomy and castration experiences to his site, to include their certified copies of relevant medical data, pathology reports, medical letters and documents from their doctor and hospital and clinic etc., to satisfy his insistence on having ‘proof’ of such experiences.

If that is what he is saying, and it sounds that way based on the above, he is being absurd.

No surprise here, the medical industry is a closely knit clan. They set standards for you and I that they do not adhere to themselves.

I suspect my posts will not appear, ever.

And anyway, who wants to wait 24 hours and more for their submissions to be vetted, screened, pondered, scrutinized etc. etc. by Dr. Bernstein before they appear on his site anyway?

He is discouraging our input, though he pretends otherwise. Elementary, my dear Watson, so very elementary. No surprise here.

 
At September 15, 2008 at 6:01 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Below is my Sunday blog comment which Dr. Bernstein finds too embarrasing to the medical industry, to publish on his blog site,'Bioethics Discussion Blog'


QUOTE:

For Dr B reference … ‘36 years post surgery suffering’

I am one of the victims of medically-unwarranted castration and hysterectomy surgery done to me at age 24 - for one, benign, ovarian cyst.

For the past 36 years since my castration/hysterectomy surgery, no doctor or OB/GYN I have ever consulted before or after the removal of both my ovaries, uterus and cervix, even once had a discussion with me about how the removal of both my ovaries would affect the functions of my ENDOCRINE SYSTEM. Not one!

My doctors and OB/GYNs continue to blame all the female-sex-organ-surgery-after-effects, on totally different causes for the past 36 years since my surgery.

Not one doctor suggested to me that any of my post surgery trauma was in any way related to my castration/hysterectomy surgery or what this has done to my ENDOCRINE SYSTEM.

One of the seven MAJOR ENDOCRINE GLANDS/ORGANS has been surgically removed from my body and they do not discuss how this will affect my most essential, basic body functions?

I did not think to ask that question before surgery, and have not yet asked that question up till now. So, is it now MY FAULT??

Why would none of my medically trained consultants suggest this topic to me for discussion with them or even to look up the information? Am I not paying them for their medical advice and INFORMATION? Does this not qualify as medical direction and advice in the circumstances?

This could be a possible reason that post surgery female patients do not recognize or relate their health issues, post surgery, to their female-sex-organ surgery.


It is also the reason why most post-surgery patients have not yet found the HERS website or this blog, and posted their comments. They do not make the connection and are being diverted from making the connection, by the medical profession. My experience is living proof, as it has been 36 years and not a single word yet …. …


Doctors most often suggest ‘it is all in your head’. That is the most hackneyed phrase told to us victims, by our doctors and OB/GYNS, post surgery. They REFUSE to admit we can have life-altering after effects from these surgeries.

Because the female ovaries are one of the seven MAJOR ENDOCRINE GLANDS/ORGANS of the human body,


(namely: 1)Pineal gland 2)Pituitary gland 3)Thyroid gland 4)Thymus gland 5)Adrenal gland 6) Pancreas gland/organ and 7)Ovaries -or Testes in males),


how can OB/GYNs be allowed to recommend or go ahead and surgically remove a woman’s sex organs without having an EXTENSIVE discussion with her about the CERTAIN EFFECTS to her endocrine system as a result of removing any of her female sex organs, and especially both her Ovaries?


How can the medical profession continue to sit back, relax and allow this to take place, without their immediate, urgent intervention and concern to correct this injustice to the OB/GYN patients????


Since removing the uterus alone, would also affect the proper, normal functions of the ovaries, how can any honest, well intentioned OB/GYNs justify not having this ENDOCRINE SYSTEM discussion with all their prospective hysterectomy patients?

Since my surgery 36 years ago, I have experienced, and continue to experience most of the after-effect listed on the HERS ‘after-effects webpage. I am unable to support myself financially, due to extreme chronic fatigue in body, mind and spirit. Cognitive difficulties, slow and often difficult co-ordination for physical activities, walking, driving, learning etc. etc. The list is exhaustive, and only gets worse with age … ….

This is the perfect crime indeed. No see, no hear, no speak … …



36 years post surgery suffering

 
At September 15, 2008 at 6:35 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Anonymous said...My honest opinion is that you are in serious need of counselling. Have you seen a psycholgist about your issues?"

Many women do not want the correct medical information to be public knowledge, too embarrassing. Most gynecologists don't want the correct medical information to be public knowledge. That is why they like to insult women who are suffering from hysterectomy/castration, it changes the subject and discredits the person who is telling the truth. The subject is not going away, we are not going away, until all females in the U.S.A are safe from legal gynecological assault by deceit for profit.

 
At September 15, 2008 at 7:38 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

To Anonymous today who said

Quote
‘ … That is why they like to insult women who are suffering from hysterectomy/castration, it changes the subject and discredits the person who is telling the truth. …’

I know you meant to say … … and ATTEMPTS to discredit the person who is telling the truth.

You see, you can only actually ‘discredit’ something or someone if something is untrue or someone is being untruthful!

Everything else would have to be an ‘attempt’ to discredit.

The ‘attempt’ at insult by the blogger who made the degrading comments, has not been accomplished. The TRUTH prevails!

We are too enlightened to be seeking ‘counseling’. In fact, we are the counselors on this blog! That blogger has come to the right place for enlightenment!

THANK YOU HERS FOUNDATION for opening our eyes to the truth about castration and hysterectomy, and giving us victims a voice!

 
At September 15, 2008 at 9:03 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who's being insulting. The woman says she wishes she had died and is obviously suffering from mental illness even if it was brought on my medical trauma. If you want to help her suggest a good psychologist! It's great to be an activist and to help others, but she's got to take care of herself first and she needs mental health counselling. How is that insulting. When I was raped I got counselling. Mental trauma needs to be treated...or are you boycotting all healthcare professionals?!

 
At September 15, 2008 at 9:18 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said
"My honest opinion is that you are in serious need of counseling. Have you seen psychologist about your issues? September 15, 2008 4:16pm" Counseling is suppose to help you mental state. Well lack of hormones effect your mental state. Having a hysterectomy affects every aspect of your physical and mental well being. “The person who said quality of life isn’t the same and death would be a relief for me”. I understand what she is talking about. We are all suffering in some form that could have been avoided if the truth was given to us before the surgery. The question is how we deal with this for the rest of our lives. Counseling? I think the GYN’s need the counseling. No, I think counseling for the quacks won’t help them. I have gotten my support from each other. I have found my help from everyone here and I am grateful. Very grateful.

 
At September 15, 2008 at 10:10 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Will the blogger, or better yet, someone from the medical industry, - that blogger demonstrates all the usual traits of being in the medical industry, you know, insulting, arrogant, misinformed etc. so perhaps they are 'licensed' to answer me - explain how counseling from someone within the same medical industry that CAUSED my medical problems, be able to assist me with my ENDOCRINE SYSTEM MALFUNCTIONS CREATED SPECIFICALLY BY removing both my Ovaries etc at the tender age of 24?

Removing my two Ovaries etc. without even discussing with me,before or after the surgery, that there WOULD be a PREDICTABLE, CERTAIN DEVASTATING IMPACT to my ENDOCRINE SYSTEM and its most basic of functions?

Many 'Counselors' hand out pills like the others do in their industry, just like you would hand candy to a child.

No thanks. I don't need any drugs to dull my cognition.

My cognition is unable to function in the normal way, due to my surgery, however, make no mistake about my ability to understand my issues very, very clearly.

The fact that others may not understand my issues, is no reason for me to seek Counseling. In fact, it is my belief that unless you have undergone the same surgery that I have, at the same age, and endured the after effects for 36 years as I have, I do not expect that anyone could begin to understand my issues.

If others find help with Counseling, I think they are entitled to make that personal decision, and I have no comments to make about the choice of others on that issue.

By the way, making medical choices not to prolong my life under the care of untrustworthy, very questionable professionals,is a personal choice I feel I am entitled to make.

I guess you don't believe anyone should be allowed to make such individual, medical choices ... ...

As I said, your attitude and comments sound so familiar of the medical industry psyche and midset.

 
At September 15, 2008 at 11:03 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

To Anonymous who posted the following at 2008-09-15 @16:16: "My honest opinion is that you are in serious need of counselling. Have you seen a psycholgist about your issues?"

I doubt you are from the medical industry because you cannot spell. You might not be the best judge of who needs psychological help when you misspell two words in one sentence, i.e., "counseling" and "psychologist". Or were those just typos you made in your rush to avoid the facts and slander someone? If you believe you are such an authority on this subject, please identify yourself and stop hiding behind Anonymous.

 
At September 16, 2008 at 6:41 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

To both commentors:

I am certainly not a doctor. I work in a lab but would not consider myself a "medical expert". I screen pap smears. The idea that medical people do not mispell words or make typos is laughable. Also I lived in England for 3 years and often confuse the different spellings. I suggested a psychologist and not a psychiatrist ver specifically, since I figured you would not want to be drugged.

I have had several surgeries, two gynecological (ovarian cyst, cervical polyp/D&C) and read a lot. I know there are bad doctors out there. It took me 2 years to find a GYN in the North Jersey area because the first one was not very good- he seemed to think oral contraceptives were best for all women at all times, and at 37 I want to stop taking hormones. I told him I didn't agree with him and left. I also had a gastroenterologist kind of feel me up once...performed a "brest exam" on one breast and no the other. May have been a mistake, I told him I'd already had one that year, but maybe he forgot...dount it though. I didn't report him because it was too vague, I just didn't go back. But I don't automatically distrust ALL medical professionals. I'd have been dead at 20 without emergency gallbladder surgery, so I'm willing to work through the bad ones. Anyone encountering malpractice should sue! It gets doctor's attention a lot faster than anything else. But boycotting the entire medical profession will do you more harm than good.

 
At September 16, 2008 at 9:48 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

To Anonymous who posted on 2008-09-16 @ 06:41. You may read a lot and you may have been in a position to find another doctor. Some women have this done to them as an emergency procedure and don't have time to get second opinions or shop around (like I described in my post below). The doctors you quit going to sound like nuts. This is, however, not the case with most of the women here. Many of us have gone to the same doctor for 20-25 years where trust was established. These doctors acted professional and honest until hysterectomy came up. A person who has NOT had this done to them, cannot even imagine the devastation and horror of finding out you were lied to and stripped of your sex organs for absolutely no reason. It is very difficult to bring a lawsuit, between finding a doctor to testify--to the medical malpractice caps. There was a lawsuit where a woman was told she had cancer, yet when the doctor opened her up, there was no sign of it. He did not do any tests, but just amputated all her organs. She did sue him, but lost the case because, unbelievably, the court found that it was within the standard of care. It is insane, but true. A lot of malpractice caps now are $250k and most attorneys spend at least 100k to bring the suit. After all the costs and attorney fees, there's very little left so they only sue in very few cases. There was a nurse in CA who underwent a hysterectomy at her own hospital. The gynecologist mutilated her so badly and refused to treat her while she had feces filling up in her pelvic cavity for about a week. When other hospital staff finally stepped in, she was nearly dead. She is now disabled and can no longer work and her health is gone. Because she worked at the hospital, they had her sign an arbitration agreement. The most she could get was $250k. Her medical expenses alone were near double that. You might want to read about medical malpractice lawsuits and you will find that it is quite difficult. Gynecologists are well protected and usually have multiple defense attorneys and experts to persuade the jury. As for the spelling, it was ridiculous, but I thought you might appreciate it because you like to insult women who are speaking up and telling the truth. The trauma that a woman feels after this has been done to her is hard to describe. It is far worse than gang rape, and then there are people like you that make fun of it. It is devastating and causes PTSD, along with all the problems that emotionally and physically come from the barbaric surgery. There are not a few bad gynecologists, there are only a few good ones. I hope that you do not ever have to learn what we have. I think it's very understandable that after this has been done to a woman, she would not want to ever deal with the medical profession again. I have run into a lot of very good doctors, but I prefer to stay away from them, and I would be very reluctant to ever go to the hospital again. If anyone needs psychiatric help, it is the gynecologists who do this to women.

 
At September 16, 2008 at 10:59 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

“The time is always right to do what is right.”

 
At September 16, 2008 at 11:59 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

A gynecologist who lies to a woman, deceives and manipulates her into surgery to amputate her sex organs with no medical basis should NOT be sued in a civil court where he can sit in his suit and the worst that happens is his insurance company doles out money. Instead, they should be prosecuted in a criminal court for assault, battery and sexual mutilation and face life in prison with mandatory castration.

 
At September 16, 2008 at 12:00 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

To Anonymous who said 'I screen pap smears.'

Thanks for sharing more about yourself. I am truly sorry to know you too have had some devastating issues to deal with in your life. Too many people seem to find themselves dealing with difficult issues.

I'm still hoping you can tell me how you think getting psychological help will assist my ENDOCRINE SYSTEM to function more normally, or normally, after having my two Ovaries removed at age 24.

 
At September 16, 2008 at 2:12 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wouldn't castrate them but remove their prostrate instead (in a surreal fantasy type world you understand). The result is much more devastating to a bloke...

I think that a person who has been the victim of medical abuse, would find it hard to trust the medical profession dealing with that particular speciality again. Therefore I can see the rationale behind a call for boycotting all Ob gyns.

I agree that doctors should face criminal prosecution if deliberate actual/grievous bodily harm is done. And they shouldn't hide behind the pathetic excuse of 'cancer' either. Men aren't treated like this and women shouldn't be either.

 
At September 16, 2008 at 5:31 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

If there is even one OB/GYN practicing who does not know that surgically removing one or both Ovaries will have a DEVASTATING effect upon their female patient’s ENDOCRINE SYSTEM, then they should not be allowed to practice medicine. They should have their license taken away. That is too elementary a biological fact, to be debating that issue.

The fact that you may not know ALL the effects to the ENDOCRINE SYSTEM of removing both Ovaries, does not alter the fact that the 7 ENDOCRINE GLANDS/ORGANS need each other to maintain balance and harmony and for the body to perform very basic, and very complicated body functions, using ALL 7 Major Endocrine Glands/Organs.

Doctors and OB/GYNs should have their license taken away, and never be allowed to practice medicine ever again, if they have a patient sign a consent form to remove one or both Ovaries, and have not, IN WRITING as well as VERBALLY had an exhaustive discussion with that patient about the known as well as the possible effects to the ENDOCRINE SYSTEM of removing one or both Ovaries.

Every single discussion a doctor or OB/GYN has ever had with me before or after my castration and hysterectomy, concerning my surgery and the after effects during the past 36 years, only revolved around singling out estrogen, as the ‘cure all’ hormone. They say things like …
‘Just make sure that you take your Premarin every day, and you should do OK’. This is sure proof that they are out of touch with reality, and should not be allowed to be lying like this to their patients. THAT IS A LIE and they all know it!

My opinion of these rotten eggs (no pun intended) could not be any lower. I have absolutely no use for them, based on my own personal experience with them, and the experience of so many unfortunate women who have had the misfortune to walk through the door of their office.

BOYCOTT the lying OB/GYNs!

 
At September 16, 2008 at 11:46 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have been bleeding 24/7 for over a year, I have a doctor that practices alternatives to hysterectomy, I have had ultrasounds by him. mine are fibroids and in February of next year I will get them all taken care of without the suffering of a hysterectomy. I have taken my mother inlaw in to have her bladder put back up inside her and a sling put on to hold it so it does not fall out of her vagina. how miserable she was. I have no intention of having this or any other problem that is caused by hysterectomy. and all the other gyno, said I need a hysterectomy to get rid of these. not true.

 
At September 17, 2008 at 3:24 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm glad you found a gynecologist to preserve your sex organs. Good for you! You must have had to go through a lot of lying gynecologists to find a good one. I'm so sorry for your mother. What these hacks do to women is horrendous. Thanks for posting your good story and let us know how you are doing!

 
At September 17, 2008 at 7:15 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

What if 22 Million Men had their prostate gland amputated by deceit, and almost the entire country turned their back and laughed and did nothing to stop it?
What if one man was castrated by deceit by a medical doctor?

 
At September 17, 2008 at 12:22 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is the worst possible crime that has ever been committed against humanity, and secretly so.

 
At September 17, 2008 at 12:26 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

If it was men, there'd be a lot of suicides and dead doctors.

 
At September 17, 2008 at 7:10 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

36 years of hindsight 20/20 vision, post surgery

I see no reason why 1) Complete Endocrine System Exhaustion and 2) lack of co-ordination on many levels, cognitive difficulties, general weakness, including muscle weakness etc. should not be considered as possible (or even predictable) post-surgery consequences to being castrated and hysterectomized at age 24.

Also, since Estrogen is needed by the body to produce Collagen, and Collagen affects your skin, bones, teeth, muscles etc. etc. why would these OB/GYNs or regular doctors not tell their post female sex organ surgery patients that they MAY expect to experience difficulties in these areas?

For 36 years of my life, I have continually been lied to by my OB/GYNs and doctors I have consulted. They have tried to convince me that my health issues, post surgery were not related to my surgery. Health issues which only began after my surgery. I have had no other surgery and no other major illness which could be used as a possible explanation.

I lived a happy, ‘normal’ and productive life, supporting myself financially before my surgery at age 24.

Now, 36 years later, with no relief from any of my health issues which all started after my surgery, these lying OB/GYNs just keep on lying, and removing female sex-organs from teenagers and young women especially, using deceit.

I will be happy to spend the rest of my life dedicated to this task of stopping them. Please sign the HERS Petition and encourage others to do so also, that at the very least, patients will be mandated to view the HERS DVD before signing a consent form for these surgeries.

Yes, BOYCOTT these lying OB/GYNs!

 
At September 17, 2008 at 8:49 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I would be interested in knowing if there are any government or privately sponsored hospital/clinic information or support groups available in any area in the USA for hysterectomy. There are none that I am aware of in my area.

One of the largest US hospital chains has several hospitals in my area and none appear to offer outpatient hysterectomy support groups or information. Why?

My area hospital has a Women’s Health Resource Center which offers information on Stress, Preventing Heart Attack and Stroke, Diabetes, and Domestic Violence only. No mention of hysterectomy.
The same area hospital offers support groups for those experiencing infertility, breast cancer, Parkinson’s disease or need helpful information before or after breastfeeding. No mention of hysterectomy. Why?

The more I learn about the medical industry’s attitude toward hysterectomy, the more I am convinced that they, as a whole, have a hidden agenda.

Surely when one-third of the US female population 60-years and older have had their female sex-organs removed, you would think hospitals might want to offer support groups or Women’s Resources to these women and their families??? Hello!

I wonder if they might be worried that having a gathering of hysterectomized females exchange their personal information and getting correct information on the subject (not necessarily from the hospital itself) might be bad for their ‘hysterectomy business’?

I’d say that could be a very good reason for them to make sure they do not offer any such ‘support’.

 
At September 18, 2008 at 12:40 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

ok - i did not read the blogs or comments of other people. I'm to FREAKED OUT right now!!!!
my Dr told me today that my best solution was a hyster. but leave the ovars. in!! I'M SCARED TO DEATH NOW!!!
I was fine untill seeing the video that starts this website!!!
I have had so much pain since the last 2 surgeries & now the Dr says that she has a policy about pain meds and can't help me anymore unless I go to a pain management clinic to deal with my cronic pain until I can have the hysterectomy. She says that they will probably inject my preivious incisions with steroids & some kind of "aine" - lidocaine or whatever - untill I can afford to have the Hyster.
I can't keep living like this!!!!
I'm really ready to just give in & lay down to DIE !!!!
I thought that having a woman GYN would help but she doesn't seem to be interested, in a way. Then again, I feel funny stating that because she spent 30 mins talking this out with me, & she has a HUGE & POPULAR practice!!
I am very confused!!! I am VERY SCARED!!! I AM VERY READY TO QUIT LIFE BECAUSE I'M IN SO MUCH PAIN & IT HAS COME TO THE POINT THAT MY DR.s THINK THAT I AM JUST WANTING DRUGS!!!!!! THIS IS MY 2ND DR. The first one left practice about 6 months after the first invasive surgery!!! and left me in complete LIMBO & with few records!!
Now this new Dr is giving me Doubts!! I am starting to think that I'm CRAZY!!! BUT
I HATE TAKING PILLS !!!!!!!!!!!!
I HATE ASKING FOR PILLS!!!!!!!!!
I HATE FEELING LIKE I'M BEING CUT IN HALF EVERY MINUTE OF EVERY DAY!!!
I WANT TO BE A WHOLE WOMAN AGAIN!!!
If that means having a Hyster. or not I don't care but I am scared!!! I feel uninformed & mistreated right now & I don't know if it is my Dr or this web-site that has given me the creeps!!!!
I am going to pray & PRAY HARDER!!!
That seems the only way to get REAL ANSWERS to my FRIGHT!!!
THANX FOR HAVING A PLACE TO VENT!!!

GIZMO-PEPPER'S MOMMY

 
At September 18, 2008 at 12:58 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the poster who is in so much pain. I'm sorry you are going through so much. Please do not agree to a hysterectomy. Please call the HERS Foundation to get the correct information about your condition and options. It will make you feel a lot better when you are informed and not scared into surgery. HERS Foundation 1-888-750-4377.

 
At September 18, 2008 at 5:53 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the woman who is still intact and asking for information.

Always remember there is a loop-hole in the current consent form for all female sex/reproductive organ surgeries. The loop-hole allows a gynecologist surgeon clearance to amputate any or all of your female organs at will for profit. If I still had my female organs (sigh) and knew what I know now. I would have never had surgery without an attorney having revised the consent form (No Hysterectomy or Castration written and signed by the surgeon and you and the lawyer and keep a copy in a safe place) prior to any surgery by a gynecologist surgeon.

 
At September 18, 2008 at 7:12 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

The "informational" video on this website has no basis in science. It makes claims it doesn't back up and no scientific studies are cited. It is all hype and scare tactics. While it is true that way too many medically unnecessary hysterectomies are being performed in this country, using lies and misinformation to scare women into NOT seeking medical treatment is abominable and the makers of the video should be ashamed of themselves. My favorite claims include the assertion that your spine will collapse and that you won't be able to have a "uterine orgasm"!!! Unless you get osteoporosis from lack of hormones there is no way your spine will collapse or your ribs shift from removing abdominal organs of any kind! And don't worry too much about those "uterine orgasms" thay don't exist. The uterine orgasm is a myth, just like the g-spot. How are you going to help women make "informed" decisions using that nasty little piece of propaganda?! I've seen scientific studies on loss of libido after hysterectomy and they give mixed results at best. The only one with a large enough sample size has found that women have better sex over all after a hysterectomy. Try looking up ACTUAL studies published in ACTUAL SCIENTIFIC JOURNALS! You can find these in University libraries, most will let anyone in. Do no trust the information on this site or any other without making sure you've seen the scientific literature. For that matter, don't believe me, find out for yourself!!!!

Signed, Sciencegirl

 
At September 18, 2008 at 7:20 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I remember when I had my Ovarian cyst at age 24 the OB/GYN used the 'cancer scare' tactic with me. These OB/GYNs are well practiced at this ruse.

Now that I know that cancer may be prevented and can be cured, it hurts me all the more to know that these lying OB/GYNs can continue to use this scare tactic on people today and get away with it legally.

I remember trembling uncontrollably from fear of dying at age 24 when being told that each day I delayed having the surgery, there was no guarantee I would not get cancer in those organs. That was the reason I agreed to have my ovaries, uterus and cervix removed. That has proven to be a lie, therefore I do not consider that I gave 'informed consent'.

There was no known family history of cancer in these organs in my family. Quite the contrary, my Mother had about 10 siblings, and my Mother had three children and no cancer before she died.

Now that I reflect on what my life has been like the last 36 years without my 2 Ovaries, uterus and cervix, I would have preferred to have died under the surgery, and never woke, than to have lived with the awful, day to day grappling with something much worse than any ovarian cyst ever was.

My OB/GYN said I would feel better. I never have,not for one day since my surgery. I have felt much worse every day since my surgery, with no diagnosis from any OB/GYN or doctor.

How can these scientific experts expect anyone's body to function normally without these organs, which form a MAJOR part of our ENDOCRINE SYSTEM?

These OB/GYNs are liars. They have lied to me. That is the truth from my own experience. I can't speak for anyone else. I just know they lied to me, and I will never stop warning others that they do lie.

 
At September 18, 2008 at 7:28 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear Sciencegirl,

We all know people like you. You will have us believe that when our 2 Ovaries, uterus and cervix are removed, and our vagina sewn into a closed pocket, that sex is better than ever, our ENDOCRINE SYSTEM picks up momentum and really begins to fire, and we become walking sex machines!

Yeah, right!

 
At September 18, 2008 at 8:00 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

To Sept. 18 7:20 pm.

I never said sex would be better for everyone. I said the only study I could find with a decent sample size implied it was. Obviously more studies need to be done and invasive surgery like that should never be done except as a last resort, like cancer. But not all women are horrible maimed or have their sex life ruined. This web site lies, just like the OB/GYN who told you you needed surgery. Telling all women they need a hysterectomy is wrong, but telling women NONE of them need one is just as bad.

Sciencegirl

 
At September 18, 2008 at 8:13 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

If I had the choice of keeping my organs, I would choose to do so.

The scare tactics being used by OB/GYNS is immoral and wrong. They do it because they have the legal right to do it and get rich doing it.

The Love of Money is the root of ALL (and this particular) evil.

Scientific studies too often have conflict of interest funding from drug companies and others.

Every day on TV I hear conflicting results from different scientific studies on just about everything.

I would sooner trust my common sense, which tells me that keeping my organs is better than losing them.

I suggest to ALL women, try to keep your organs and not let the OB/GYNs scare you into hasty, unnecessary surgery.

 
At September 18, 2008 at 10:01 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

male in mich.
To science girl. Some of what you assert is correct, that is scientific data to support that life after hysterectomy is good for the masses. If they claim 80 or 90 percent of hysterectomys lead to increased enjoyment and sex machine behavior by women they didn't include my input. If you castrate a man he will have screwed up hormonal balance. If you castrate a women she will have screwed up hormonal balance. Drugs, vitamins, herbs can't replace what is lost naturally by the body. Instead you should concentrate on effects to the endocrine system. Any good Endocrinologist will agree that life can become more difficult once the critical organs are removed. While every individual situation is different, out and out lying or deception by OB/GYN's is criminal. Most likely over 80 per cent of the hysterectomies performed are actually unnecessary such as what happened to my marriage. It is wonderful that the information on this site has most likely saved some from the deceptive butchering by so called "good OB/GYN" surgeons.

 
At September 18, 2008 at 11:52 PM , Blogger HERS Foundation said...

To sciencegirl,

If you believe that there is merit to your accusations and claims surely you’re not afraid to identify yourself. You’re using an alias that gives the impression that you have expertise in science. It is apparent that you know nothing about female anatomy or female sexual response.

Furthermore, the primary issue is hysterectomy performed without informed consent, which is the same as unconsented. Information is requisite to informed consent. Although there are many other important issues, such as whether the majority of hysterectomies are medically unwarranted, the primary issue discussed on this blog is unconsented hysterectomy. Under all circumstances women must be given the information by a doctor who recommends hysterectomy before she is told to sign a consent form, regardless of the reason for the surgery.

If you would like to learn about the role of the uterus in sexual arousal and uterine orgasm there is no shortage of reading you can do to educate yourself. You might want to start your reading list with the well-known “Sexual Behavior in the Human Female”, published in 1953. Kinsey details the mechanism of the pulsating, rhythmic contractions of the uterus during orgasm. Kinsey’s work was followed a few years later by Masters and Johnson’s publication “Human Sexual Response”, published in 1966, which also details the phases of female sexual response which culminate in the rhythmic contractions of they uterus called uterine orgasm.

If you are interested in understanding how and why hysterectomy damages every woman, read the step-by-step description of hysterectomy and female castration in a textbook such as “Novak’s Textbook of Gyecology” or “Comprehensive Gynecology” by Mishell.

You should stop making false statements that may put some women in harms way, and educate yourself about the lifelong functions of the female organs and what happens to women when their female organs are removed.

 
At September 19, 2008 at 3:21 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sciencegirl: All OB/GYN's know about uterine contractions during orgasm. In the ACOG's Hysterectomy Pamphlet, it states: "Because the uterus has been removed, uterine contractions that may have been felt during orgasm will no longer occur." The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists are pro-hysterectomy, and they profit heavily from hysterectomy/castration, but THEY even contradict your silly statements.

 
At September 19, 2008 at 8:04 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

At the bottom of the ACOG Hysterectomy Pamphlet, it has a Glossary. This is what it states about Menopause:

"Menopause: The process in a woman's life when ovaries stop functioning and menstruation stops."

This statement is false as it relates to ovaries. It is common medical knowledge that the ovaries function all of a woman's life. Why would the ACOG state otherwise? Is it reasonable for a group of doctors educated and trained in women's reproductive healthcare to make such a glaring error in their pamphlet, or would it be more probable that this misinformation was put there deliberately?

 
At September 19, 2008 at 10:30 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Please identify 'ACOG' for those among us who do not know what that is. Thanks.

 
At September 19, 2008 at 11:56 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

ACOG = The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists

 
At September 19, 2008 at 2:10 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

How long does it take for all these terrible things to happen? I had a hysterectomy 3 1/2 weeks ago and feel better than I have in years. Sex with my handsome husband is more fun than ever and now I'm really worried about when my world is going to come crashing down.

How much time do I have left?

LJ

 
At September 19, 2008 at 3:12 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

LJ, if you are having so much fun, why are you here? It kind of speaks for itself.

 
At September 19, 2008 at 3:38 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

To LJ

Ha Ha Ha! Thanks for giving me a great laugh today! Good Joke!

 
At September 19, 2008 at 4:44 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hmmm, as far as I can tell "HERS foundation" is not a given name, niether is "castrated". As far as I can tell aliases are the norm. Even the lady who has her "2 ovaries, uterus and cervix removed at the tender age of 24, destroying her ENDOCRINE SYSTEM" uses an alias and is only recognizable because she keeps saying exactly the same thing no matter what the subject at hand is. Uterine contractions may occur during orgasm, but orgasm still occurs in the clitoris. Whether hysterectomy diminishes the intensity of orgasm in women is still under debate, there haven't been enough studies done. There is no conclusive evidence that there is more than one type of orgasm. Personal experiences from individual women may serve as warnings of possible complications, but they are no substitute for an actual scientific study.

I have taken anatomy classes at the undergraduate and graduate levels and have dissected a human cadaver, so yes I understand the anatomy involved. Does education make me a bad person?? And I dare say I understand sexual response in women, being a woman who engages in lots of very satisfying sex. You cited books to me, not scientific studies. Anyone can write a book, but scientific studies are scrutenized to make sure they adhere to the scientific method and are testable. I can get a book on astrology or ghosts, but it doesn't mean either one actually exists.

Sciencegirl

 
At September 19, 2008 at 5:41 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anyone who can believe the statement that,

'... Whether hysterectomy diminishes the intensity of orgasm in women is still under debate, there haven't been enough studies done....'

is welcome to do so.

This blog is intended to shed light and not to bury our heads in the sand.

Only an idiot, and I do mean idiot, could believe that life, in any respect, could be 'normal' after hysterectomy.

Only someone with a personal or monetary interest in lying about this, and the whole 'hysterectomy myth' would be capable of making such an assinine statement.

 
At September 19, 2008 at 6:30 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

What personal or monetary interest could I possibly have. As a woman who may end up having a hysterectomy I have been looking for information concerning possible side effects from the procedure and, of course, other alternatives depending on my diagnosis.

In all things I weigh the evidence before making decisions about things. Some women say they lose all interest in sex while others claim sex after a hysterectomy is better for them. Obviously I can not make a decision based on other women's personal experience alone, since these experiences vary too widely to be of any use to me.

My objection to the video is that it is geared toward scaring women away from having a hysterectomy, not informing them of POSSIBLE complications and negative effects. According to the video all these complications are "common" and some are simply stated to occur..as if ALL women experienced ALL the complications. Most women watching this propaganda would assume they would be better off dying of cancer than going through with such a procedure. Having any organ removed is traumatic, and yes having your ovaries removed will send you into instant menopause. It is true that post-menopausal ovaries still produce hormones, but very little and to varying degrees depending on the woman.

My mother's best friend had a hysterectomy last year and said it was "nothing", should I assume because her experience was easy that ALL women have an easy time with it?? Or should I assume that it is one POSSIBLE outcome among many?

Whether it messes up some of their endocrine functions or not, some women need hysterectomies to save their lives if they have cancer. This video would make them think they were choosing between death and lifelong misery. It is a LYING piece of propganda and no self-respecting doctor would ever show it to a patient. Try making an informative video without the hype and lies, and maybe you will accomplish your stated goal.

Sciencegirl

 
At September 19, 2008 at 9:25 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

The uterus in a woman is equivalent to the prostate gland in men. Below please find the possible complications given to men when they have a radical prostatectomy.
This is an example of what women are not told regarding a sex organ surgery (hysterectomy) compared to a man having a comparable sex organ surgery. Keep in mind that the operation below is not even discussing the removal of the mans testicles (Castration).

Possible Complications after radical prostatectomy
after radical prostatectomy only
Excessive bleeding
Surgical wound infection
Blood clots
Inability to control urinary stream (incontinence)
Fecal incontinence
Impotence
Retrograde ejaculation-Sperm ejaculates into your bladder, rather than out through the penis

This may cause the urine to appear milky white after ejaculation.
This would occur after TURP/TUIP. After open prostatectomy, patients are not able to ejaculate.
Sterility
Urethral stricture
Low blood sodium after large amounts of fluid are used to irrigate the bladder during TURP/TUIP

This can cause confusion, dizziness, high blood pressure, vomiting, and disturbed vision
Urine leak requiring prolonged drainage (with a catheter or drain) or reoperation
Injury to the rectum or other adjacent structures

This is a complication .
Ref: by, Deanna M. Neff, MPH

 
At September 19, 2008 at 10:42 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear Sciencegirl,

Your latest post has no scientific facts, or scientific basis for your opinions.


Yet you still try to persuade us you have some scientific interest or background when giving your opinions?

Reveal who you are because you are embarrasing yourself.

If you are any sample of what the rest of us have to depend upon for 'scientific' professionalism in the medical field, God help us all!

It has been said many times on this site, and you still miss it. After hysterectomy, it is IMPOSSIBLE for a woman to experience menopause. There is no such thing as surgical menopause.

Menopause is something INTACT women,who still have their ovaries and sex organs experience, as a natural part of the life process.

 
At September 20, 2008 at 1:46 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

There haven't been enough studies done, but doctors have removed the sex organs of over 22 million women still alive in the United States. Care to guess why more studies haven't been done? Accurate studies about sexual dysfunction would bring this business to an immediate stop. There are already enough other studies showing it increases a woman's risk for heart disease, osteoporosis and dementia, just to name a few.

 
At September 20, 2008 at 4:12 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

This article was written by a group called: What Doctor's Don't Tell You.

Cover Story
Hysterectomy
Womb snatching

Besides cesarean, hysterectomy is the most likely operation you'll face if you're a women, even though up to 90 per cent could be unnecessary. Here's how to avoid one.There is a joke among medical practitioners confronted with a woman suffering from gynecological problems. The diagnosis: she is suffering from CPU or Chronic Persistent Uterus. The solution: Hysterectomy.

In fact, hysterectomy, or more correctly female castration, is now one of the most widely applied surgeries for women, second in some countries only to the cesarean. In the US, a woman has a one in three chance of having her uterus removed by the age of 60. In Britain, her chances are only slightly better at one in five.

The majority of hysterectomies, nearly 75 per cent, are performed on pre menopausal women between the ages of 20 and 49. On the whole, endometrial cancer, invasive cervical cancer and uncontrollable post partum hemorrhage are the only medical indications for hysterectomy, but according to a recent survey these account for only around 10 per cent of hysterectomies (Hospital Episodes Statistics 1993-94, HMSO, London). This throws into question the appropriateness of the remaining 90 per cent, though within the medical profession this question has yet to be widely addressed.

Although hysterectomy has been practised for 100 years, virtually no strict criteria has been established to identify when it is appropriate and when it is not (Soc Sci Med, 1982; 16:811-24) The most often applied criteria is that the woman should have no desire to have any (or any more) children fuelling the idea that the uterus serves no useful purpose beyond its reproductive function. In fact, the uterus has hardly been studied separately from its role in childbirth, leading to the widely held belief that it is only good for two things growing babies and growing cancer.

It appears also that medical and social mindsets not disease determine who ends up on the operating table. For instance, male gynecologists do more hysterectomies than females (N E Jr Med, 1985, 313:1482). Black women are more likely to end up having a hysterectomy than white women 65 per cent as opposed to 28 per cent (Ob Gyn, 1993; 82:757-64).

Rates can vary between individual doctors in the same hospital. Within the US, rates vary enormously, according to geographical region, with women in the poorer areas of the South often public clinic patients claiming the highest hysterectomy rates in the country (see The Hysterectomy Hoax, Doubleday, New York, 1994).

Mistakes and money also play a part. In one study of hysterectomies for cervical cancer, an amazing 31 per cent were performed in spite of normal Pap smears and negative cervical examinations, and 5 per cent were due to a misreading of the pathology report (Ob Gyn, 1992, 79:485-9). A recent survey of American healthcare plans revealed that some 16 per cent of hysterectomies carried out under these plans were performed for inappropriate reasons (JAMA, 1993; 269: 2398-402).

This is because private health plans do not endorse, and consequently do not pay for, alternative treatments. Perhaps this is why one American doctor was moved to write, "more often the indications [for a hysterectomy] are a cooperative patient with a uterus and good health insurance" (New Eng J Med, 1993, 399: 276).

The most common stated reasons for performing an hysterectomy are: fibroids (30 per cent), endometriosis (20 per cent), vaginal prolapse (15 per cent) and endometrial hyperplasia, or abnormal growth of cells (6 per cent). Various other causes, such as excessive bleeding, pelvic pain, pelvic inflammatory disease (PID) and ovarian cysts account for the remaining 30 per cent (New Eng J Med, 1993, 328:856-60). But it is the contagious and largely unfounded fear of cancer which can lead surgeons to perform (and women to agree to) hysterectomies when they are simply not appropriate or on a just in case basis.

However a recent review of the subject concluded that "cancer prevention alone does not justify hysterectomy" (New Eng J Med, 1993, 856-60). For instance, less than 2 in 1000 fibroids turn into uterine cancer. Since the mortality rate for hysterectomy is 1 in 1000, the risk of dying from the operation is actually greater than the risk of cancer.

The best advice is to watch and wait (Ob Gyn, 1992, 79:481-4). Some doctors say that large fibroids make it impossible for them to detect ovarian cancer during pelvic examinations. But this goes against reported experience in 75 per cent of cases, the disease is only detected after it has spread beyond the confines of the ovary (New Eng J Med, 1985, 312: 415-9). At any rate, ultrasound has proved to be an effective means of evaluation of the ovary (Br J Ob Gyn, 1990, 97:304-11). And removal of one organ to detect the possible, eventual cancer of another is simply not justified.

Endometrial hyperplasia can progress to cancer, though only in around 1-3 per cent of cases (Cancer, 1985; 56: 403-12). Even using the questionable tools offered by conventional medicine, treatment with progestins is highly effective, usually eliminating the risk within six months (although exposing you to the other cancer risks of HRT). Only after this, if hyperplasia is persistent should hysterectomy be considered. Endometrial cancer is most prevalent in women between the ages of 50 and 70, hardly a justification for the widespread hysterectomy rate in younger women.

It has also been shown that "just in case" removal of the cervix does not eliminate the risk of cancer it merely shifts the risk to the vaginal epithelium (its outer layer). Since the cervix plays a major role in sexual stimulation and orgasm, it should not be removed without proper indication (Jr Rep Med, 1993, 38:781-90). A newer surgical technique sub total hysterectomy preserves the cervix and some part of the uterus.

The short and long term complications and side effect of hysterectomy are becoming more well known, though there has yet to be any widely accepted definition of what constitutes "major" or "serious" complaints after hysterectomy (Am J Ob Gyn, 1992, 144:841-8). These can vary according to the route of the operation from 24 per cent for vaginal hysterectomy to 43 per cent for abdominal hysterectomy (Am Jr Ob Gyn, 1982; 144: 841-8). Infection, fever, and urinary retention are the most common post operative problems. The risk of a fatal blood clot in the lung rises after hysterectomy 1 in 5,700 particularly in women over 50 (Br Jr Ob Gyn, 1994; 101:468-70). Women who have had a hysterectomy are more likely to suffer from constipation and bowel problems such as IBS (Pulse, Aug 14, 1993). Figures from the American Association of Gynecological Laparoscopists estimate that as many as 3 out of every 10,000 women die as a result of surgery, and serious complications can arise in as many as 15 out of every 100 operations (WDDTY vol 4 no 12).

The vaginal route can fail if the size of the uterus is not properly diagnosed. If the uterus is 300-999 g the failure rate is 16 per cent; but only 5 per cent if is 100-299g (Ob Gyn, 1995, 86: 60-4). In these cases the surgeon will need to switch, mid surgery, to an abdominal route, increasing the probability of post surgical complications. The vaginal route also more than doubles the need for further unexpected surgery usually to repair trauma to bladder or bowel or to control hemorrhage (Am J Ob Gyn, 1982; 144: 841-8). Injury to the ureter is more common with the abdominal route (Am Jr Ob Gyn, 1992; 167: 756-7).

Urinary problems, such as incontinence, are well documented and can be the result of nerve damage to the bladder during the operation, due to that organ's close proximity to the uterus (Br Jr Urol, 1989; 64: 594-9).

Between 33 and 46 per cent of women experience a decrease in sexual response after a hysterectomy and oopherectomy (ovaries removed) (Am Jr Ob Gyn, 1981; 140: 725-29). If the surgeon is not skilled in the technique of "worrelling" where the vagina is peeled carefully off the cervix and then restored to its original length, the vagina can end up substantially shortened, making intercourse almost impossible. Surgical skill can also influence morbidity for better or worse, for up to three months post operatively in relation to blood loss, length of hospital stay, the incidence of blood transfusion, and bladder dysfunction (Gyn Onc, 1993; 51:39-45).

 
At September 20, 2008 at 10:39 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank you to the poster who quoted an article that uses actual citations. I can now look up some studies to see what I think of them. Be careful when you see studies quoted with only a brief description of results. I read one journal study saying that most women had improved sexual function after hysterectomy, but with a sample size of 27 women it was hardly a significant finding. I was disapointed that they used an article from 1981 as the only sexual function study, since hysterectomies are performed much differently now than they were in 1981, but it might still be a good example of the results of a TAH, I'll have to look it up for myself.

I really couldn't care less if you (now I'm talking to the bloggers who keep trying to insult me) think I am evil because I'm educated (y'know everyone with a degree joins a special club so we can screw over the general public), or you think I must be lying about my education because I don't fit into your stereotype of an educated person. Really couldn't matter less to me. If you really want to know, I have a BA in Anthropology with a chemistry minor, a Master of Science degree from England in Osteology, Paleopathology and Funerary Archaeology and a Master of Science degree in Clinical Laboratory Science with a focus in Cytopathology. I also spent 3 years working on a PhD in Paleopathology which I never completed.

So as you can see I am overeducated. But not a doctor or medical professional...well technically I'm a medical professional, but really I look at slides all day, not patients. I work in a field dominated by women (no man is in any supervisory position in my department and only one is in lower management). The bulk of our work is screening pap smears and breast FNA's to make sure women don't have cancer. This may not be your view of a medical labotratory, but it is eh reality in mine. We take our work very seriously and are proud to be helping, in a very small way, to save women from cervical cancer.

But if these women boycott OB/GYN's because of fear, they will never get a pap smear, and never get diagnosed early...they will die. If you get treated early, before the cancer is invasive, than the procedure involves a cone biopsy, or a LEEP which involves using various means (some sort of hot wire if ai rememeber correctly) to cut away the bad cells while leaving the cervix intact. The doctors we interned with always stressed the importance of preserving fertility in young women, too many cone biopsies can make the cervix weak. I don't work with any OB/GYN's in my lab, our doctors are Cytopathologists, they look at slides just like we do. Our diagnosis is sent in a report to the OB/GYN's who decide how to procede in the individual patient's case, or at least how they would like to procede, since the ultimate decision belongs to the patient. We often hear abut the "standard" treatment for patients with various diagnoses, and this changes all the time. Since HPV is most prevalent in very young women they are most of our positive cases. They usually present with atypical cells or a low-grade HPV infection. A diagnosis of atypical cells usually results in an HPV test, to determine whether the patient has a "high-grade" form of HPV or a "low-grade" form. The high grade form is much more likely to progress to cervical cancer...still, most women clear these infections and have normal subsequent pap smears. Some doctors will order biopsies, others "wait and see". I ran a low-grade for 5 years once and my OB/GYN didn't do anything but watch the infection. However when I moved to England and had a low-grade (during this 5 years) the treatment was to send me for immediate colposcopy (teh microscope they shove up you and soemtimes take biopsies with). I got to see my cervix on a screen which was cool, but they didn't even take a biopsy. As you see even at this level there are differences in treatment. England also was still doing Pap smears with wooden spatulas instead of plastic brushes...I bled so much I scared the nurse, there was blood on my shoes and they were 5 feet away! Luckily we are slightly more advanced in medicine in the US, but it still is the ART of medicine, not the science...they use science when they can, but they are still guessing much of the time. Do tehy seem arrogant to you?? Can you imagine going to work and knowing any mistake you make could kill someone?? Not blow the big merger or lose money for the company, or even get you fired, KILL SOMEONE. That's a lot of pressure. If I screen your pap smear and miss a full blown cancer (very rare) and call the slide normal and you don't get a pap smear for years after that...theoretically you could die, and I'd have that on my head. Scary isn't it? They ask us in cytology school if we can deal with that kind of stress. But doctors deal with that on a grand scale every day. So of course they seem arrogant, if they don't believe they are pracitcally gods they can't get through the day. I'm not saying there aren't bad doctors out there, and I'm not saying that over-use of hysterectomy isn't WAY out of hand. I'm just against this foolish Boycott and the idea that the OB/GYN's are all out to get us.

It's no true and it will scare women into not getting the Pap smear that may save her life.

Sciencegirl

 
At September 20, 2008 at 1:59 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sciencegirl,
No self-respecting doctor would amputate a woman's sex organs by deceit for profit, but we aren't talking about self-respecting doctors here. We are talking about how sick it is that gynecologist doctors are lying to perform hysterectomy (sex organ amputation)/castration by deceit for profit. Not only that, we are talking about being tortured and repeatedly insulted after we were medically assaulted and deceived and had no cancer. One hysterectomy or hysterectomy/castration a minute every day in the U.S is out of hand. 22 Million Hysterectomized and Castrated Women Alive Today in the U.S, is an Epidemic and a National Emergency.
We are not talking about women refusing surgery for cancer, just the opposite. Woman are convinced by their gynecologist they are at a much higher risk of sexual organ cancer than they actually are. The general public is not aware of Gynecological Oncologists, and a gynecologist does not want to send their business elsewhere. Many gynecologist's will use every and all deceit tactics available to them to cash in on amputating a woman's sex organs by deceit. Women blindly trust the gynecologists who delivered their children and blindly fall for the "pap smear scare tactic ritual".
If you truly are concerned about women who actually have cancer of the sexual organs, Sciencegirl; Study the statistics and numbers of how many of these de-sexing operations are performed for non-cancerous conditions, this is where you will find the outrageous unnecessary sex organ amputations by deceit. Sciencegirl (girl?) you don't want millions of women at any age having a surgery for cancer when they don't have cancer do you.? Read, "The Hysterectomy Hoax", the book was written by a noted doctor. Then get back to us with your empty uneducated comments.

 
At September 20, 2008 at 2:11 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear Sciencegirl,

Your post on the 19th at 6:30pm does not indicate you have a grasp of what this HERS site is all about, or that you have read much of the scientific educational material presented here.

You appear to have an agenda.

After just reading your many educational qualifications listed above, it is amazing to me that you could still say, in your post on the 19th, quote:

‘Having any organ removed is traumatic, and yes having your ovaries removed will send you into instant menopause.’

Considering that the many medical and other information provided on this site makes it so clear that
1) surgically removing the female sex organs will dramatically change a woman’s life, and thus affect her family etc. for ever. Permanently, with no remedy, as the organs can not be replaced. Even if science advanced to the point of re-attaching a similar organ, it could not possibly be the same
and
2) menopause is something INTACT women experience having all their sex organs, and as a normal part of the life process. There is no such thing as surgical menopause after removing the female sex organs. And menopause is not what women experience after sex-organ surgery.
Post surgery, women suffer lifelong after-effects, well known in the medical industry, but which
effects are being hidden, misrepresented, lied about and
too often denied and ignored.

If you are in the scientific field of work, and you are unable to grasp the above-mentioned TRUTHS and FACTS, then I am so happy I have decided to have less and less to do with the ‘medical’ industry.

There are many nations and cultures that approach ‘health’ from a purely humanitarian and loving thy neighbor and using wisdom approach along with centuries of careful study and close observation of body functions. Acupuncture is just one such.

I personally have benefitted so much since embracing this less invasive, more natural and very healing approach to life. I do not get pap smears and can elaborate why, later.

If one lives a humble, honest, loving and healthy lifestyle, there is less to fear when it comes to contracting illnesses and cancer, to a large extent. My comments on this site reflect this and I make no apologies. I can not comment from a high, fast, and out-of-control-lifestyle as that is not my perspective. I acknowledge that those who comment from that angle, have valid viewpoints also, it is just not from my angle.

I have met many educated fools. I am not suggesting that you are one so please do not take that statement personally. It is not intended to be personal. There is nothing better than common sense and wisdom. These two latter attributes are God given, not man made and can not be bought for a price.

Knowledge, wisdom and understanding are three distinctly different things. You may have some knowledge, or a lot of knowledge about a particular subject. Many educated people have that. It is what you do with that knowledge that will benefit or hurt your fellow man/woman.

Please take a few minutes to think about this as none of this is written with any intent to put you down or insult you. Instead, I have your very best interest deeply embedded within my heart and soul.

 
At September 20, 2008 at 2:15 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am a 45 year old woman. I had a complete hysterectomy at 40. It has been the WORST mistake of my life. Now that hindsight has happened I have read up on every hormone book possible I realize the birth control pill made me estrogen dominant and what I needed to cure me was natural progesterone. So I went ahead with the surgery because all I ever heard was women saying how wonderful they felt. The doctor kept saying it's up to you to keep the ovaries or not and more women do better without them so I got a second and third opinion and the same thing. Even nurses tell women Oh you don't want ovarian cancer so take it all out, well the chances of you getting that is so slim.So I listened to the medical field. I didn't know this type of forum existed because I did not have a computer at the time but not even Oprah or anyone discusses this and if they did it's a man's opinion.
If she was close to menopause, I could see her feeling wonderful. I went from feeling terrific for 6 months and then all HELL broke loose so they kept upping my estrogen. I gained 35ILBS, suicidal depression, fibromyalgia, and chronic fatigue (no mystery there doctors it's caused from hormonal imbalance duh), bad skin, aging skin and a feeling of going crazy. Your ovaries are your soul. They control so much of YOU. Never let them touch them. I have been to Mayo Clinic who gave me water pills, and antidepressants. That's how misunderstood this is. The best hospital in the world? I am now going to a naturalpath to get bioidenticals in me to try and restore some balance. I beg any woman out there to heed my advice and look up estrogen dominance and see all the symptoms it causes and do everything to avoid this surgery. It took a vibrant young person and turned her into someone I don't even know. But I will get her back if it's the last thing I do and make this information come out because I have a very big mouth.

 
At September 20, 2008 at 3:29 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

To poster of Spet 20, 1:59pm.

Enough with this "for profit" nonsnese. If I were an OB/GYN looking for profit my first choice would not be to remove your reproductive organs. I would be more likely to keep them intact so I could milk them for more cash. I have had an ovarian cyst removed and also a cervical polyp. Both of these are often reoccuring. So are fibroids. If I could perform numerous operations on the same woman throughout her lifetime I would make more money from each woman than I would from a TAH/BSO. Even if I botch the operation and you have bladder and bowel problems, you wil be getting treatment from a different specialist and I a out a patient. Even if I am a heartless, money-grubbing OB/GYN just looking to perform needless surgery for cash TAH/BSO would no be my first choice. It is illogical whne I could continue to perform operations on your intact organs and get paid over and over again, not to mention more fees if you get pregnant several times. Hysterectomizing a 24 year-old girl is not good for business!

Sciencegirl

 
At September 20, 2008 at 3:47 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

To poster Sept 20 2:11pm:

The term "instant menopause" is used to descibe the onset of menopause-like symptoms in women who have had their ovaries removed. As it suggests the symptoms all hit at once, and not gradually over time as they would in an intact women. It is perhaps jargon used in my field and may be misleading to most people, for that I apologize.

Enjoy your "humble, honest, loving and healthy lifestyle", but don't think it will save you from cancer. It may help support your immune system, but only a pap smear will help you if you contract cervical cancer. The Human Papilloma virus which causes cervical cancer is organic and all natural! You seem to be picturing me as some sort of drug-using, night-life enjoying, fast-living kind of person. I'm actually a vegan and amateur herbalist who enjoys yoga ...but nice try.

You say:
"There is nothing better than common sense and wisdom. These two latter attributes are God given, not man made and can not be bought for a price." Interesting way of telling me I have no common sense or wisdom. Common sense tells me there is no God. So I guess I'm out of luck with those attributes.

Sciencegirl

 
At September 20, 2008 at 4:32 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sciencegirl, to fully understand how hysterectomy/castration is done for profit, you would first have to know how long each procedure takes and what the pay is for each. Hysterectomy/castration is the cash cow for gynecologists. It takes the least amount of time to perform, and pays the highest. To remove an ovarian cyst takes a lot longer to shell out of the ovary and it pays about one-quarter as much. Same with fibroids. Basically, he would have to remove 4 ovarian cysts in your lifetime (and spend a lot more time) to make the same money as one hysterectomy/castration. Given the fact that you might not stay with the same doctor your whole life, his chances of making money off so many cysts and fibroids becomes slim. It's not as if women generally have so many of these reoccurring growths that it would be worth their while.

In one of your other posts, you make "unnecessary hysterectomy" sound like it's just a bad hair cut. What does "unnecessary hysterectomy" actually mean? The definition of "unnecessary" is: "not necessary or essential; needless; unessential." The definition for "hysterectomy" most commonly used is: "the removal of the uterus". From the definitions, we can conclude that it describes "a needless removal of the uterus". Is that an accurate description? That doesn't sound so bad, does it?

I don't believe that the words "unnecessary hysterectomy" together or separately accurately describe the purposeful extensive physical and emotional damage that is done to a woman when it is performed without medical basis. First, in order to get a woman who does not need surgery into a surgical room, a doctor would have to tell her something that was not true. The doctor would have to purposefully make her believe that something was wrong with her to the extent that she would submit to a major surgery. That would constitute fraud. After that she signs a consent form stating that she has been given all the information about this surgery, including alternatives, risks and side effects. How would an average woman know if she was informed of all the pertinent information? Regardless, she is then put under anesthesia where she has no control over what is done to her. At that time, a doctor cuts her open and proceeds to cut all her ligaments, arteries, nerves and other organs that attach to her uterus and cervix while removing them and sewing her vagina into a closed pocket (as fully described above in a previous post).

Similarly, if a man gives a woman a date rape drug and rapes her, it is not referred to as "unnecessary sex." Women do not go to the police and say that a man had unnecessary sex with me, and unnecessarily drugged me. If that was how rape was described, it is clear that it would never be acknowledged as a crime or be prosecuted. The similarity also exists in that because the woman is drugged or under anesthesia, she may not ever completely realize what was done to her.

It is important to distinguish the difference between something that is unnecessary, as opposed to an act that is purposely done under fraudulent circumstances with the knowledge that it will cause harm. If a woman was abducted on the street, knocked out, and woke up on the curb with all her sex organs missing, the public would be horrified and outraged. What if this was being done to millions of women? The police would have a task force devoted to finding the criminal and prosecuting him. However, that is basically what is happening to women in the United States every day at the hands of gynecologists. The difference is that it is done through a doctor's office behind closed doors, and in a hospital where women assume they are safe. If a woman submits to surgery under fraudulent circumstances, and her internal organs are amputated and mutilated, what would an accurate statement be for that? If doctors who did this were accused of fraud, violence and mutilation, instead of unnecessary hysterectomy, it would shed light on the violence that is being committed and allow the criminal justice system to prosecute these cases just like any other violent crime.

The United States now acknowledges rape as a crime, but in many other countries the woman is still blamed for it. I believe that in the United States that most women are being blamed now for hysterectomy/castration, even though they were deceived and misled into a surgery room, and it was done to them while they were not conscious. If it is ever going to be stopped, we have to call it what it is. It is surgical violence against women. If a woman is raped, it creates emotional scars and sometimes physical damage that heals. When a women is violated surgically by a gynecologist, she is sexually mutilated and the her health and well-being are permanently taken away.

 
At September 20, 2008 at 4:44 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

WoW!

That is a perfect description of the status quo.

Anyone who would try to encourage women to continue exposing themselves to this 'hysterectomy' scam and danger, should be ashamed of themselves, be they doctor or otherwise.

 
At September 20, 2008 at 4:47 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sciencegirl. The term "instant menopause" is very misleading since a woman without ovaries cannot go through menopause. What a woman experiences without ovaries are the symptoms from the decline in their health from loss of ovarian function. The damage that is done to a woman's physical health is not "done all at once", but starts when the ovaries are amputated. Because of the damage, it can cause severe hot flashes and night sweats, far worse than an intact woman going through menopause, and this can go on for 20-30 years or more. Since it increases a woman's risk for heart attacks, osteoporosis and dementia at a much higher rate than an intact woman, it does not just simply happen all at once. It is permanent damage to a woman's body and takes away her health and well being immediately, and more so over time. You could call it the gift that keeps on giving.

 
At September 21, 2008 at 5:16 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Science girl, your work is commendable and you must derive a good deal of satisfaction in knowing that you have saved a woman from the devastating effects of invasive cervical cancer.

Conversely you must also be delighted when no pathology is found and that the woman is cancer free.

 
At September 21, 2008 at 6:28 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

HERS Foundation, your work is commendable and you must derive a good deal of satisfaction in knowing that you have saved a woman from the devastating effects of hysterectomy/castration when a doctor tells a woman that is her only option.

 
At September 21, 2008 at 9:41 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bonnie I couldn't have put it better myself. I'm anti hysterectomy. It should be a life saver operation only.

Sciencegirl is not a pathologist. I just wonder what they must think when day in day out they look at normal ovaries and uterii that have been cut from women for them to discect and analyse. Their job must be so disheartneing.

 
At September 21, 2008 at 2:58 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I would just like to add something to what is being said. I understand about being castrated by the doctors against our will but what I am more concerned about is someone telling the truth about the quality of life after having a hysterectomy. I had a myomectomy first to remove two large fibroids from uterus. That eased my symptoms for 3 years (no more heavy bleeding,hard cramps,insomnia, night sweas). Then the symptoms started again and worse this time. I felt I had no other option than the hysterectomy. My GYN was pushing the surgery and my family was pushing to find another way. Both were not helping at all. I went to another GYN who explained all of the alternatives to me and gave me pamphlets of all the alternatives. The alternatives offered nothing permanent to the symptoms I was facing and I felt like I was losing ground quickly with the symptoms taking a toll on me. I had the surgery and they took one ovary because they stated that it was completely covered by cysts. I thought the bad physical symptoms were over but they had only just begun. I now have extreme fatigue (worse than before the surgery), really bad mood swings, I feel like I am a stranger in my own body because my outgoing personality has changed, and other host of symptoms that did not exist before the surgery. I am but a shell of my former self. I have prayed and worked hard to recover some of my former lifestyle but with great difficulty. It has been three years since the surgery and I can safely say if I had felt there was a better alternative out there besides surgery I would have chosen it. I am now a 38 year old woman who feels like I should retire because I am so tired. Please someone document the truth about life after a hysterectomy of any kind.

 
At September 21, 2008 at 3:28 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here's proof of how these ob/gyns collude to protect their revenues from hysterectomies:

In 1994, an ob/gyn renowned for performing uterine-sparing procedures wrote of attending a seminar on medical economics: "The topic was how to care for women in order to maximise our fee. The experts who led the discussion reminded us that gynaecologists make the most money by doing surgery and that the highest fee we can generate come from hysterectomy. With that in mind, we were urged to 'cultivate' our patients carefully. Initially care would require advice on contraception. Then, in the normal course of events, we would supervise their pregnancies and deliver their babies. Once a patient had completed her family, we were advised to plant the idea that she might some day need a hysterectomy. The culmination of our years of care would be the hysterectomy. With proper planning, our advisers suggested, each year of practice would produce a lucrative 'crop' of women ripe for hysterectomy.26

26. West, ibid., pp. 28-29

 
At September 21, 2008 at 3:47 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sciencegirl said “My favorite claims include the assertion that your spine will collapse and that you won't be able to have a "uterine orgasm"!!! Unless you get osteoporosis from lack of hormones there is no way your spine will collapse or your ribs shift from removing abdominal organs of any kind! And don't worry too much about those "uterine orgasms" thay don't exist. The uterine orgasm is a myth, just like the g-spot. How are you going to help women make "informed" decisions using that nasty little piece of propaganda?! I've seen scientific studies on loss of libido after hysterectomy and they give mixed results at best. The only one with a large enough sample size has found that women have better sex over all after a hysterectomy.”

If my spine didn’t collapse, then why did I develop a crease 1-½” above my navel all across my stomach within a year or so of my surgery? This is not a “fat” crease as I don’t have any fat above my navel. And a DEXA scan proved I don’t have osteoporosis (not yet anyway).

As far as uterine orgasms, they are NOT a myth. Either you don’t have them or you don’t realize they’re contractions of your uterus. I DID have them and, of course, do not any longer since I don’t have a uterus. I had deep abdominal orgasms before my surgery that I did not realize were contractions of my uterus since my doctor did NOT tell me. And clitoral orgasms are a HUGE disappointment in comparison (not to mention the fact that it’s harder to even reach orgasm, if at all, after being stripped of my organs by deceit).

As far as loss of libido, I don’t know of one woman I’ve met online who didn’t lose her libido after having her ovaries removed. And only having the uterus removed oftentimes causes loss of libido as well.

If you think all these problems are in our heads, then why don’t you have this surgery and prove us wrong?

 
At September 22, 2008 at 12:23 AM , Blogger HERS Foundation said...

"science"..."girl",



What's in a name? It is often one's identity.



You asked for my "given" name, it is Nora Weisberg, now Nora Weisberg Coffey, and I'm president of the HERS Foundation. HERS is not an alias, it is the login on HERS blog, so it's the name blogger automatically identifies with my comments, since I opt not to be anonymous. This is not my personal blog, it is the blog of the organization. The posts are written by myself and Rick Schweikert, HERS Program Director and resident writer.

I’m asking you again, if you stand behind what you sa,y please use your name not an alias.

The women who post anonymously on the blog do so to protect their identity because they have suffered medical abuse and some of them may be pursuing legal remedy. There are also women who don't use their names because it gives them the freedom to tell the most personal, intimate details of their post-hysterectomy experiences. Most people are accustomed to keeping the intimate details of their sex lives and details of their bodily functions such as bowel and bladder, cognitive loss, and changes in personalitiy to themselves, most people do not discuss these issues with strangers. These women have courageously come forward and written on this blog and elsewhere about their loss of sexual feeling and the impact of the loss on themselves and their partners. They also talked about other major changes that significantly diminish their ability to function.

They do this to educate the public, and to stop this from being done to another generation of girls and women. It is an act of bravery and courage.



In one of your comments referring to HERS video “Female Anatomy: the Functions of the Female Organs” you said “My objection to the video is that it is geared toward scaring women away from having a hysterectomy, not informing them of POSSIBLE complications and negative effects. According to the video all these complications are "common" and some are simply stated to occur..as if ALL women experienced ALL the complications. Most women watching this propaganda would assume they would be better off dying of cancer than going through with such a procedure.ng a hysterectomy, not informing them of POSSIBLE complications and negative effects. According to the video all these complications are "common" and some are simply stated to occur..as if ALL women experienced ALL the complications."

You attributed motive to the producer of the video, the HERS Foundation, that is false. Since you have a little educational background in science your should know your statement is unscientific, it is merely conjecture. 



HERS motive in producing the video is to provide women with the information that is not being given to them by gynecologists, the so-called experts in their field. You’re advocating protectionism because you believe that information will scare women into making medical decisions that you believe are wrong.

Women are capable of deciding what they will and will not allow to be done to their bodies when they are provided with the information that is requisite to informed consent. They do not need others to pick and choose which information that they believe women should be given. Every woman has a right to know what the female organs are, where they are located in their body, what their functions of the organs are, and the consequences of their surgical removal.

You seem intent on depriving women of the information required for them to decide if they will choose to undergo hysterectomy and/or castration it might scare them and they may decide not to undergo a hysterectomy or castration.

There are things that we should all be scared by because they are dangerous and they may ruin your life.



The great aim of education is not knowledge but action.
…Herbert Spencer (1820 - 1903)

 
At September 22, 2008 at 6:31 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

To poster Sept 21 3:28pm:


A quote from a book does not constitute "proof" of anything. I can write a "non-fiction" book about ghosts...but this doesn't make the information in the book true..nor proof ghosts exist. The fact that you don'tunderstand this makes any attempts on my part to use logic in an arguement in this forum pretty pointless...logic will not prevail. Enjoy your ghosts, aliens from outerspace and conspiracy theories.

To "HERS" foundation:

What possible use could anyone in this forum have for my name? Unless you suspect I am someone "important" my name couldn't have any possible consequnce. Unless of course you wanted your mentally unstable posters to find me and get "revenge" on me for not sharing their conspiracy theory delusions. Since I'm not going to volunteer for abuse at the hands of crazy people I think I'll keep my real life name to myself thanks. Interesting how everyone else in this forum is afforded anonymity, but any dissentors must immediately announce their names...would you like my address too?? Maybe a phone number?? You have got to be kidding. I have given enough personal info in this forum already. Its all true (who the hell would make up such a ridiculous education??), if I wanted to lie I would have made myself out to be some sort of expert. But as I've said to the other poster, it is pointless to keep trying to convince your regular posters of anything when they never learned logical thought. One even mentioned Oprah, like you can believe everything you see on Oprah...*sigh*. Enjoy your forum, I'll go find one where I can get useful, true information.

Sciencegirl

 
At September 22, 2008 at 6:51 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

You mean the nice clean hospital where two years ago I acquired "klebsiella pneumonia", a hospital born infection after the trick operation hysterectomy.
In the hospital that wheeled me out of the back door while I was saying over and over, "something is wrong", "something is wrong", "I shouldn't be leaving the hospital".
The hospital where the head gynecologist told me on the phone the "klebsiella pneumonia/hospital born infection", was caused by my sexual partners or my partners, partners.
Hysterectomy/Castration by deceit is the standard of care to date in 2008, it is a rampant epidemic.
Women who are lied to do not chose to go in and have their sex organs amputated by deceit. Women are lied to about their conditions, their female organs, the procedures available and the extent of permanent damage caused by sexual organ amputation.
I was still discussing the surgery when the anesthetist ran anesthesia into the IV that was incorrectly placed in my hand, after he said, "do you want something to calm you down". I was trying to flee, but they knocked me out!
The first thing the ob/gyn said to me after the de-sexing by deceit was, "all of your internal organs and intestines looked withered and discolored". That didn't stop Gynecologist, Dr. William Bradford, Lancaster, PA., nothing did. I asked, Dr. William Bradford, Lancaster, PA, to just remove the tumor he had scared me into thinking was cancer. He shook his head "no" "gravely", like I was in grave danger. I was in grave danger being in the pre-op room with a predator ob/gyn, in hyper-thyroid storm, with a visible 2 1/2" nodule on my neck (thyroid). He nor both anesthetists told me was connected to my ovaries.
Sounds ethical and clean, doesn't it?

To All Medical Doctors: Please do not "sacrifice" over a million more women in the next two years before you sign the Hers Foundation "Petition" to end un-consented hysterectomy/castration. You can not save the reputation of generations of gynecologists, it is not possible when the truth is revealed.

 
At September 22, 2008 at 10:51 AM , Blogger HERS Foundation said...

To science...girl,

Although you asked for my "given name" and I gave it, you seem to feel threatened by giving your name: "What possible use could anyone in this forum have for my name?" It would be professional to identify yourself, particularly when voicing dissent and accusations. Otherwise your statements appear to be baseless hyperbole.

The following comment made by you indicates that your accusations of a conspiracy theory are a projection of your own feelings rather than an analysis of the motives of others: "Unless of course you wanted your mentally unstable posters to find me and get "revenge" on me for not sharing their conspiracy theory delusions. Since I'm not going to volunteer for abuse at the hands of crazy people I think I'll keep my real life name to myself thanks. "

You accuse regular posters of never learning "logical thought". This, too, seems to be a projection of your failure to understand and employ logic. What could be more logical than not being able to experience uterine orgasm after the uterus is amputated and removed from a woman's body?

Like a child who has not gotten their way, you say you're going to take your marbles and go home. HERS is open to all discussion and debate. We have never asked anyone to leave the blog or to stop posting their views.

 
At September 22, 2008 at 2:00 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

To ScienceGirl:

You said:
What possible use could anyone in this forum have for my name? Unless you suspect I am someone "important" my name couldn't have any possible consequnce. Unless of course you wanted your mentally unstable posters to find me and get "revenge" on me for not sharing their conspiracy theory delusions. Since I'm not going to volunteer for abuse at the hands of crazy people I think I'll keep my real life name to myself thanks. Interesting how everyone else in this forum is afforded anonymity, but any dissentors must immediately announce their names...would you like my address too?? Maybe a phone number?? You have got to be kidding.


I agree 100%. I never give personal information about myself on-line. Ever.

And in a place like this, where paranoia and misandry abounds and people are suggesting ridiculous things like: Maybe your husband should have his prostrate removed, his penis shortened, and get castrated and then sex would be more fun for him too!
there is clearly a lack of balance and I wholeheartely support your decision to protect your identity.

Thank you for standing up for balance, reason, common sense --and for yourself!!

LJ~

 
At September 22, 2008 at 9:28 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Prostrate removed, his penis shortened, and castrated.! That is the definition of what they are doing to women with a total hysterectomy with ovary removal, without the woman's informed consent.
That is why we are here, to protect other women from sexual and physical mutilation by deceit. Hysterectomy/Castration by deceit is surgical violence against women, sexual mutilation and a....National Emergency-due to the epidemic numbers of women affected.
This heinous legal crime silenced by the medical profession is being broadcast to the world, and it should be. You are insane if you think women should not have this information and be mutilated by the millions by deceit.

 
At September 23, 2008 at 12:15 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

The best thing 'Sciencegirl' can do, is to consent to the hysterectomy (which she indicated she may need in the future).

We have tried reasoning with her, reaching out to her and trying to help her to make a more 'informed' decision re hysterectomy.

It is only someone who has experienced hysterectomy and the removal of both ovaries etc. who could really begin to identify with the bloggers here.

Unfortunately, she will be only too happy to return to this site when she finds out too late, after surgery, that she too, has been lied to, deceived, and experiencing a living nightmare.

She does not appear to be the type who could admit she made a 'mistake' when she finds out the truth, post surgery. So I predict she will need more than ever, the 'shelter' of the very anonyminity this site offers, at that time.

That is not the ending we want for her, however, if she insists she wants to discard the opinions and information of those who underwent the surgery, that is FULLY her choice. Our consciences are clear and we have tried our best to help her.

It is my opinion she came to this blog with an agenda, perhaps trying to keep the Gynecologists happy and in business, who knows?

 
At September 23, 2008 at 9:22 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I posted once before stating that the doctor that I was seeing suggested a hysterectomy. I was only 35, and very skeptical, so I never did anything. My symptoms were increasing from what the doctor has deemed adenomyosis from an earlier doctor puncturing a hole in the uterus doing a tubal ligation. I was glad to find this website that basically confirmed what I thought were just common sense things that could go wrong, and I thank you for that!

Since then I found a doctor that specializes in alternatives to hysterectomy. He gave me another idea to think about. He would like me to try to lesson the symptoms with a cryo-ablation (basically an endometrial ablasion using cold instead of heat- done in the office.) Has anyone had this done? I have not found any sites that list any kind of adverse reactions to this type of procedure.

I also have a question about tubal ligations- has anyone had problems with unexplained weight gain and stomach bloating after a tubal?

Thanks for any info that you can give me. I wanted to make a decision before the holidays come.

 
At September 24, 2008 at 11:48 AM , Blogger HERS Foundation said...

Cryo-ablation is a damaging surgery that scars by freeze-burning the endometrial lining of the uterus. Like ablations performed with heat, the risks of cryo-ablation are perforation of the uterus, bowel, and bladder and chronic, increasingly painful menstruation.

Have you been evaluated to determine the cause of the bleeding?

 
At September 25, 2008 at 9:29 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

For me, having a hysterectomy greatly improved my quality of life. I was very sick with endometriosis and the way I felt about those organs was, all they ever did was hurt me. They destroyed my career, I couldn't keep a job, and sex was painful. I researched thoroughly beforehand and decided to go for it, uterus and both ovaries. I'm glad I did, because the pain of the endo wasn't worth it.

However, I want to support what others have said too. Doctors will never tell you all the possible consequences of the surgery. No matter how well you research, you won't know it all. So everything horrible that people are saying here, these are all risks of the surgery. They may NOT happen to you, but they MAY.

I did NOT lose my sex drive. It's higher than ever. It's been 20years since my hyst. I can get out of bed every day now, and I enjoy doing abdominal exercises without that uterus that was always contracting and hurting when I exercised. Sex is fun. The pain is gone. I was on estradiol until a year and a half ago, and without it I'm having some problems, mostly temper issues. I had to learn to walk away from an argument or conflict, because my anger erupts within me like a volcano, and I don't want to inflict that on anybody. Better to walk away, and come back later after I've cooled off.

One thing nobody told me was about hair loss. Half my hair fell out after the surgery and I never really got it back. Afterwards, my mother told me her pubic hair was all gone after her hyst. She couldn't take hormones so she stayed naked there the rest of her life. She didn't tell me that beforehand and I had asked her to tell me everything, so I'd know what I was in for.

I want to offer some of what I've found to help. Find yourself a Chinese doctor, acupuncturist, herbalist. They know a lot about helping our symptoms. I've found Chinese herbs really help with the mood and other "menopausal" symptoms. I had the weight gain too. Couldn't stop it no matter how I tried. This year I started doing "robotic" exercise, you might hear it called "toning tables." You lie on these tables and they move and you resist. As exercise goes, it's easy. See if you can find a place that has those toning tables. I wore a 3X a year ago, now I'm 2x on the bottom and 1X on top. I'm pretty impressed with them.

 
At September 25, 2008 at 9:35 PM , Blogger Gracie said...

To Science Gal, You have offended me and every woman who has written on the Hers Blog. I had my hysterectomy and castration 20 years ago. I was the most stable, sane and athletic person you would ever find. I could out work anyone. I have lost my career, my husband and a lot of my friends. You only have enough energy to save yourself. It is sad!

I only went in to see the OBGYN for hot flashes. He gave me premarin which made me bleed, although at the time I didn't know the premarin was making me bleed. He was giving me a double dose which made me bleed even more (he was setting me up for surgery).

Everytime I went to see him he would mention the surgery, but I knew I didn't want it. He finally said lets get rid of the bleeding, you will feel great and nothing will change. I didn't know what the ovaries and cervix were for because he told me the ovaries were in my body ONLY to have babies. I just didn't know enough about my body. I had no problems before my surgery, just hot flashes. And, the hot flashes continued after my surgery.

He should have told me about alternative surgeries, what exactly the ovaries did, how my sex life would change and what the cervix was for. He told me NOTHING!

I only wished I would have had the Hers Foundation to educate me. This is what we are trying to do. If you think we are all mentally unstable women that is your opinion. All I can say is please believe what we are saying. I have not read one article where they were trying to mislead another woman because I can associate with what every woman is saying.

We are devastated because we were not told about alternative surgeries or the harm that would happen to our bodies. There is nothing we can do to make our bodies better or make us feel better. The harm has been done and it is permanent.

We are telling our stories to warn other women what will happen to them if they have a hysterectomy along with being castrated. We have been lied to. This is why we are frustrated with OBGYN'S.


You can get a pap smear along with a check up from your regular doctor and not go to a OBGYN who does only surgeries.

When a man has his testicles removed they loose their desire for sex just like a woman does. They are also devastated that doctors don't warn them of the harm removing testicles does to their bodies. Women's bodies are alot more complicated then men's, so the damage done to women is more harmful.

There is not one woman on this blog that want revenge. We just want to tell our stories, so future generations of girls don't end up writing on this blog.

If you go ahead and have a hysterectomy and castration, we will be here to support you because you will need us and the Hers Foundation to continue your life the best way you know how. That is what we are all doing.

This surgery not only harms the woman, but her husband (because he now can tell sex isn't the same and she doesn't enjoy it anymore), her family, friends and career (because she is now so tired she has to just try to get through each day).

We don't need to be called mentally unstable or crazy. This is what our doctors have done to us. We didn't ask for our lives to end up like this. We all have our ways of surviving. ONE DAY AT A TIME!

 
At September 26, 2008 at 2:19 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

My name is Patty.
I left the message about cryo ablasion. I am scheduled to have this done in November.
I already have painful menstruation. He said that with the endometrium gone, the periods would lessen and the cramping may become less also. I was semi-diagnosed with adenomyosis (I say semi- because there is no definitive diagnosis without hysterectomy) after a laproscopy when I was 35 (I am now 40). The doctor that I had gone to then said that the only way to take care of it was by hysterectomy (he said I was done having children so I didn't need it anyway!) But having bled excessively after my second two deliveries, I was afraid that there could have been something else causing the painful cramps (only on my left side) and the heavy bleeding. This new doctor said that it doesn't matter if I have adenomyosis or not, he wanted to treat the symptoms and gave me these options- do nothing, cryoablasion, Mirena IUD, or a hysterectomy. So which is the best choice? I have already been putting up with the pain and excessive bleeding for almost 12 years. Has anyone had an endometrial ablasion that the side effects were better than the current symptoms? Thanks for the sounding board- my husband is no help- he just agrees with whatever the doctor says (he also agreed that I didn't need it since I was done having children.)

 
At September 26, 2008 at 4:10 PM , Blogger HERS Foundation said...

Patty,

Have you had an MRI of the pelvis? It is the only non-invasive was of determining if you have adenomyosis.

If you would like more information you can call HERS at 610.667.7757 to have information sent to you by email, or you can go to HERS web site at www.hersfoundation.org and click on "Contact".

 
At September 26, 2008 at 9:23 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said:
"For me, having a hysterectomy greatly improved my quality of life." and "I did NOT lose my sex drive. It's higher than ever."

Here is the correct medical information:
Physical sexual sensation is diminished or lost entirely because of the severing of nerves and the removal of the uterus. Women who experienced uterine orgasm before the surgery will not experience it after the surgery, because the uterine contractions that occur during uterine orgasm cannot occur without a uterus. The loss of uterine orgasm will only be missed by women who experienced it before the surgery. Although a small number of hysterectomized women experience slight vaginal wall contractions, most women report a total loss of sexual feeling. Severing the blood supply to the uterus diminishes the blood flow in the pelvis and to the external genitalia, including the ovaries, vagina, labia, and clitoris, as well as the legs and feet. One of the many functions of the uterus and the ovaries is cardiovascular protection. When the uterus is removed, women have a three-times greater incidence of heart disease. When the ovaries are removed, women have a seven-times greater incidence of heart disease.
A woman’s ovaries, her gonads, continue to produce hormones her entire lifetime. Oophorectomy (the surgical removal of the ovaries) is performed on about 75% of the women who undergo hysterectomy.

 
At September 28, 2008 at 10:32 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just have a question? I am 4 years out today after having a TAH with severe complications. But, I was wondering my breasts are extremely sore and seem to get this way a few times a year, for a few weeks. To explain it the best they feel like they do when one is pregnant. Any suggestions?

 
At September 29, 2008 at 10:53 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I need to talk about wanting to commit suicide after hysterectomy. I want to be dead now more than I want to live like this. I have never been suicidal before but this is horrible.

 
At September 30, 2008 at 12:06 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

To blogger @ 10:53pm 9-29-08

You are not alone. I dare to say most, if not all the bloggers posting here have given this topic some thought. In my opinion, thoughts of suicide should be included as one of the identifiable ‘possible’ after-effects to having a hyst.

The trauma that the body is subjected to because of the removal of the vital female sex organs, should be a necessary topic of discussion, between the OB/GYN and the patient, before surgery. Currently it is not, and the subject is treated so lightly, and even suggestions by OB/GYNs that your health may actually be better after hyst. Nothing could be further from the truth.

We need to be told the truth about what the removal of one of our seven major endocrine glands/organs does to contribute to ENDOCRINE EXHAUSTION, post sex-organ surgery.

Our bodies are thrown into CHAOS when our major organs are removed, in hyst. Swallowing a pill, or hormone, is not the total solution. It may help in some small way, with some of the traumatic after effects. Perhaps your current dosage may need to be adjusted, or maybe your body is not tolerating your current medication well.

Please seek help from a ‘Classical Five Element Acupuncturist’ and Naturopathic Practitioner because they understand more clearly, the need to get the body back into balance. Nothing will be able to get your body functioning ‘normally’ again, once your sex organs have been removed. However, the most help I have received came from my ‘Classical Five Element Acupuncture’ treatments.

I have done much study and research on the topic of hyst, including internet research. I have found much beneficial information regarding nutritional supplements etc. which are useful, after these surgeries.

A large variety of Nutritional Supplements have helped me. I have posted many of these helpful hints in my earlier blogs to this site, and the other HERS blogs on this topic.

Respectfully, I suggest you read ALL the blog posts on the HERS website and then check out the suggested aids mentioned. I think you will find them helpful.

I know your possible concentration and short-term-memory difficulties may make this task seem huge. Please try it.

Also, lack of sleep may be one of the major traumas, short term and long term, after surgery. Try a few sips of red wine, before bed, instead of sleeing pills. Taken occasionally, (if it does not conflict with any current medication), may be help you to fall asleep.

Good Luck. I am here for you. I have been castrated and hysterectomized, and know how difficult the most simple tasks can be.

 
At September 30, 2008 at 10:07 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

In response to my comment, somebody said: "Women who experienced uterine orgasm before the surgery will not experience it after the surgery, because the uterine contractions that occur during uterine orgasm cannot occur without a uterus. The loss of uterine orgasm will only be missed by women who experienced it before the surgery. Although a small number of hysterectomized women experience slight vaginal wall contractions, most women report a total loss of sexual feeling. Severing the blood supply to the uterus diminishes the blood flow in the pelvis and to the external genitalia, including the ovaries, vagina, labia, and clitoris, as well as the legs and feet. "

Well, no, my uterus no longer contracts with orgasm. That's because I no longer have a uterus. Thank goodness. After an orgasm I used to be in pain with uterine contractions. Now I'm just happy. My vaginal walls contract plenty, thank you, and even continue for quite a while. My pelvic floor has plenty of blood supply for sexual activity. You can throw all the quotes out you want, in support of your own problems, but I am telling the truth. What you describe is a RISK. I took that risk and did well. Balance is telling people not only the horror stories but the good stuff too. The fact is if you're really sick and there's no other option, hysterectomy can be a good thing. I say so, as well as 3 other women in my family who had hysts and were happy afterward.

 
At September 30, 2008 at 10:10 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the suicidal poster: A hysterctomy/oophorectomy is a BIG trauma to our bodies. You didn't say if you just recently had the surgery. In any case, I second what another response to your post said, a good acupuncturist (they are usually also herbalists) can really help. I went to an herbalist and was given a regimen of supplements and herbs to help my body adapt to the changes and it really helped.

 
At September 30, 2008 at 10:48 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said: "You can throw all the quotes out you want, in support of your own problems, but I am telling the truth. What you describe is a RISK."
"I researched thoroughly beforehand and decided to go for it, uterus and both ovaries. I'm glad I did, because the pain of the endo wasn't worth it."


The quotes I quoted are the medical facts, not my problem or a RISK.
The problem is women (by the millions) are being coerced, tricked and assaulted into Hysterectomy and Castration by Predator OB/GYN'S. Don't you care about millions of women being given incorrect medical information by deceit for profit by the gynecologist's of this country?
Anonymous you were CASTRATED by having both your ovaries amputated. If a man had his testicles cut off, do you think his sex life would be better too?.

 
At September 30, 2008 at 11:11 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Gynecologists know they are causing a life altering degenerative disease which kills women by suicide or just tortures them. The Gynecologists also know they are amputating our sex organ/hysterectomy and castrating/oophorectomy us, they know! and it is our job to stop them from ruining women's lives by deceit and committing "surgical violence against women", legally. It is documented as well that hysterectomy/castration is a form of population control.
Feeling suicidal after being de-sexed and in pain is, in my opinion, a form of self-protection and inevitable after hysterectomy/castration mutilation.
My heart goes out to every one of the victims of hysterectomy/castration by deceit posting on this blog and your loved ones. I don't know how to overcome the hollow experience and pain this treacherous deceitful operation has left me with. I just do whatever I can to continue on, sometimes feeling as though I am experiencing an out of body experience now.
Reach out to someone if you feel suicidal.

 
At October 1, 2008 at 7:18 PM , Blogger Jamie said...

i am 36 years old. about 3 weeks ago, i was diagnosed with fibroids. they are big enough to be causing health issues i cannot ignore -- including extreme anemia. now, some of you are going to find this hard to believe, but i've never been to an ob/gyn or had a pap or pelvic exam, prior to my diagnosis a few weeks ago. so, unlike many women, i didn't have time to "watch and wait" or have any forewarning. if you can imagine, i took the diagnosis pretty hard -- i didn't know anything can grow inside a uterus, except a baby. once i heard my family doctor say, "i think it's uterine fibroids, but we have to do an utrasound to confirm", the entire car ride home, i kept repeating "uterine fibroids, uterine fibroids... " in my head, so i can google it as soon as i got home. once i reached home, i hurriedly kicked off my shoes, and googled the words. my mind raced as i was quickly absorbing and digesting a flood of information, and at that point, i intuitively KNEW, even without further exams, that his suspicions were correct. and as i kept reading, and the dreaded "H" word kept popping up, my heart began to beat fast, as i came to a realization, that i am going to have some difficult times ahead of me. for about a good 2 weeks or so, all i did was cry -- daily pity parties, and boxes and boxes of tissues. everytime i saw the word "hysterectomy", i cried uncontrollably. the letter "H" has become my most hated word in the english alphabet.

but now, i've gotten a lot of the anger and confusion out of my system (although not completely), have rolled up my sleeves and am ready to become my #1 health advocate. and this is how my thought process has been evolving: when i knew very little, i was leaning heavily toward a subtotal hysterectomy. the more i read, i was giving a lot of weight to embolization. but with even more knowledge, i was leaning toward a myomectomy. recently, i went back to favoring the hysterectomy, but stumbling on HERS has made me reconsider. i'm realizing that with a myomectomy, the most important thing is to find a highly skilled surgeon, and that becomes tricky. i've read that only about 6,000 myos are performed each year, so the frequency is only 1% of hysterectomies. that's discouragingly low. so far, none of the ob/gyn's i've talked to speaks favorably of myos. i don't necessarily think that they're opposed to it, i think the simple truth is, they are not skilled enough. they don't feel confident enough to masterfully and successfully perform the surgery. i wonder how many surgeries start out as a myomectomy, but end up a hysterectomy, with the true reason being that the surgeon didn't know what he was doing, but he give the bogus reason "sorry, you were bleeding way too much and we had to perform a hysterectomy to save your life". for once, i'd like to come across a doctor who's ethical, caring, brave and human enough to admit, "i don't know", or "i don't have too much experience performing that surgery". i'm sure there are many great doctors out there, that are truly compassionate and care about human suffering, but i also know there are many arrogant ones out there, that are not good people, or doctors, and should have their license taken away from them.

one way that HERS has helped me, is to sway me into not ignoring my gut feelings, that removing an entire critical organ(s) HAS to create an imbalance within the whole person -- if not now, then probably later on in life. i have to admit, i am a scientific minded person, so i've been looking primarily for scientific evidence, versus the mostly anecdotal onces i got here, from sources like the NIH (national institute of health). however, there appears to be a dearth of scientific research out there that legitamately, definitively and persuasively points me in the direction of getting a hysterectomy. the studies usually have small sample sizes, often poorly constructed, and make sweeping generalizations like, "most were happy with the outcome", which leaves me very unsatistifed. if there's anyone on this blog that has come across convincing, thorough, extensive and well-designed studies which unequivocally supports that the vast majority of hysterectomy patients are happy, short-term and long-term, please post such a study, because i'd like to be convinced -- really.

i've always been a very introspective person by nature, but recently, i've been asking myself a lot, why this must be happening to me. in case you're wondering, i am married, and don't have kids. i have always been on the fence about having children. but now that that possibility may be taken away from me, i desperately want to have kids. so perhaps this is nature's way of forcing me to make a decision. so right now, all my energy is focused on finding a wonderful doctor who is skilled at myomectomies, so i can have babies. in a way, i'm very glad that i am a woman of this era. i imagine, even about 30 years ago, women did not have the kind of resources we have today, or even the social acceptance to speak out so freely and loudly. i imagine they had to live silently and in shame, in a society that didn't dare say words like "breasts" or "vagina" or "sex", even if they were used in a medical context.

in reading so many peoples' stories, i could feel their anguish, pain and suffering. and i think a site like this is VERY helpful in so many ways -- not just to share information, but as therapy and as a coping tool. i shall visit it often, to share my thoughts, to gain more information, and to empathize with my fellow women.

thank you for reading.

 
At October 1, 2008 at 7:47 PM , Blogger HERS Foundation said...

Jamie,

You're wise to read about fibroids and the alternatives in treatment, and to listen to what women report about their experiences after hysterectomy.

If you would like information about how to evaluate a gynecologists skill at performing myomectomy contact HERS to talk about what you're experiencing. You can arrange a telephone appointment by calling HERS at 610.667.7757. If you would like to receive information by email you can go to HERS website at www.hersfoundation.org and fill out a contact form.

This is HERS brief fibroid "lecture":

Fibroids are benign growths of muscle and connective tissue that grow until you reach menopause. Then they slowly and gradually shrink to a negligible size, at which time they will be small and calcified.

The average size of the uterus including fibroids in the late thirties to early forties is a ten to twelve week pregnancy size (about 13cm in the largest dimension), in the middle forties fourteen to sixteen weeks is average (about 17cm in the largest dimension), and in the late forties to early fifties eighteen to twenty weeks is average (about 21cm in the largest dimension).

Fibroids have two rapid growth spurts that are natural, predictable, and not a cause for alarm. The first rapid growth spurt is in the late thirties to early forties. Then you have a few years of slower growth. Right before you go through menopause, when you have the hormone changes associated with the beginning of menopause, you have the second and last rapid growth spurt. Then the fibroids slowly and gradually shrink to a negligible size.

You develop all of the new fibroids you are going to have in your 30's you do not develop new fibroids in your 40's.

Both estrogens and progesterone stimulate fibroid growth. Many women use the so called "natural" progesterone yam cream that promoters claim shrinks fibroids, but in fact it makes them grow.

Fibroids are not a disease, they are your genetic blueprint. If you can live with the symptoms it would probably be better than unnecessary intervention of any kind. If you cannot live with the symptoms a myomectomy is a reasonable option. You never need a hysterectomy for fibroids unless you have the wrong doctor. If a doctor tells you that you have too many fibroids, they’re too large, or they’re in a location that makes myomectomy impossible you’re going to a doctor who doesn’t have the skill to perform the surgery. There is no such thing as fibroids that are too numerous, too large, or in a location where they can’t be removed if the doctor has the skill.

 
At October 1, 2008 at 8:42 PM , Blogger Jamie said...

to HERS,
thank you for the above response. i actually called today and spoke to Irene, and am scheduled to speak to Nora Coffey on Friday 10/3. after 2 doctors recommended hysterectomy and 1 doctor said "do nothing", and prescribed reducing stress to treat my fibroids, i was starting to feel quite depressed, but the prospect of getting useful information from the consult on friday gives me a renewed sense of hope. thank you.

 
At October 3, 2008 at 11:51 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

FYI. Each year the American Scociety of Advanced Gynecological Surgeons meet. This year it is during Halloween in Las Vegas at the Paris HOTEL. It might be a great time to protest against hysterectomy.

Go to aagl.org to learn more about the meeting. IF you really want to get the attention of leading gynecologist this would be the place to do it.

 
At October 4, 2008 at 8:41 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

"ABC NEWS". Internet top video selection: Many women are getting hysterectomies despite less invasive options.
In 2007, William H. Parker M.D, UCLA School Of Medicine, pointed out that many ob/gyn's in America are greedy inept liars in a top videos selection done by ABC News. Except for Dr. Parker's references to ablation, UAE, and cutting it (female sex organ/uterus) out through the belly button, the internet segment bashes the untrained gynecological field.
What will it take for the major television media news to grab hold of the heinous de-sexing of the American woman by deceit?. In history it will be the legacy of the medical doctors who practiced during the epidemic legal crime of hysterectomy/castration, by deceit.
I don't believe that the words "unnecessary hysterectomy" together or separately accurately describe the purposeful extensive physical and emotional damage that is done to a woman when it is performed without medical basis. First, in order to get a woman who does not need surgery into a surgical room, a doctor would have to tell her something that was not true. The doctor would have to purposefully make her believe that something was wrong with her to the extent that she would submit to a major surgery. That would constitute fraud. After that she signs a consent form stating that she has been given all the information about this surgery, including alternatives, risks and side effects. How would an average woman know if she was informed of all the pertinent information? Regardless, she is then put under anesthesia where she has no control over what is done to her. At that time, a doctor cuts her open and proceeds to cut all her ligaments, arteries, nerves and other organs that attach to her uterus and cervix while removing them and sewing her vagina into a closed pocket (as fully described above in a previous post).

Similarly, if a man gives a woman a date rape drug and rapes her, it is not referred to as "unnecessary sex." Women do not go to the police and say that a man had unnecessary sex with me, and unnecessarily drugged me. If that was how rape was described, it is clear that it would never be acknowledged as a crime or be prosecuted. The similarity also exists in that because the woman is drugged or under anesthesia, she may not ever completely realize what was done to her.

It is important to distinguish the difference between something that is unnecessary, as opposed to an act that is purposely done under fraudulent circumstances with the knowledge that it will cause harm. If a woman was abducted on the street, knocked out, and woke up on the curb with all her sex organs missing, the public would be horrified and outraged. What if this was being done to millions of women? The police would have a task force devoted to finding the criminal and prosecuting him. However, that is basically what is happening to women in the United States every day at the hands of gynecologists. The difference is that it is done through a doctor's office behind closed doors, and in a hospital where women assume they are safe. If a woman submits to surgery under fraudulent circumstances, and her internal organs are amputated and mutilated, what would an accurate statement be for that? If doctors who did this were accused of fraud, violence and mutilation, instead of unnecessary hysterectomy, it would shed light on the violence that is being committed and allow the criminal justice system to prosecute these cases just like any other violent crime.
The United States now acknowledges rape as a crime, but in many other countries the woman is still blamed for it. I believe that in the United States that most women are being blamed now for hysterectomy/castration, even though they were deceived and misled into a surgery room, and it was done to them while they were not conscious. If it is ever going to be stopped, we have to call it what it is. It is surgical violence against women. If a woman is raped, it creates emotional scars and sometimes physical damage that heals. When a women is violated surgically by a gynecologist, she is mutilated and the her health and well-being are permanently taken away.

 
At October 4, 2008 at 10:47 AM , Blogger HERS Foundation said...

Anonymous,

Your comparison is right on the mark about the language people use when talking about rape, and the language used in talking about surgical assault on a woman’s sex organs: “…if a man gives a woman a date rape drug and rapes her, it is not referred to as "unnecessary sex." Women do not go to the police and say that a man had unnecessary sex with me, and unnecessarily drugged me. If that was how rape was described, it is clear that it would never be acknowledged as a crime or be prosecuted. The similarity also exists in that because the woman is drugged or under anesthesia, she may not ever completely realize what was done to her.
”

Caroline Richmond, a medical journalist in the UK, went into surgery for a D&C. When she came out of the anesthetic she was told that her uterus and ovaries had been removed. She did not consent to hysterectomy or castration. At the suggestion of a physician friend she went to the police and reported it as an unwanted touching, which in criminal law is the way rape is defined. The police sent a female officer to interview her and an official report was filed. A serious police investigation was pursued. The well-known Royal surgeon was not charged. Caroline then pursued civil litigation, and she won in the lesser civil court. The doctor was sanctioned in any way. Although he was not found guilty of any criminal wrong doing, what Caroline did was extremely powerful. The story, with the doctor’s photo, was published in several newspapers for weeks. Thanks to Caroline, the doctor was tried in the court of public opinion with his mug shot in every major newspaper in the UK, accompanied by the story of what he did to her.

If every woman who did not consent to removal of their female organs who was hysterecotmized or castrated reported it to the police as an unwanted touching it would shine a light on what doctors are doing to women. Every person who knows what is being done to women in operating rooms all around the world should be morally outraged.

Your comment began with a statement about a gynecologist, William Parker. I strongly object to Parker’s statements about the doctors reconsidering removing the ovaries routinely, which has been the practice for many years. His position creates the impression that it’s okay to remove the uterus as long as the ovaries aren’t removed. This is dangerously wrong. The uterus is a hormone responsive reproductive sex organ that supports the bladder and the bowel. It has vitally important functions all of a woman’s life. There is no age and no time in a woman’s life that she does not need all of her female organs. I’ve debated this issue with a leading feminist women’s health advocate who supports Parker. She believes he should be praised for suggesting to his colleagues that they should less surgical damage to women by not removing their ovaries when they remove their sex organs. It’s not okay to do some surgical damage to women by removing their sex organs. Of course doctors should stop castrating women. But the choice is not either castrate women by removing their ovaries when their sex organs are removed, or don’t castrate them but keep removing their sex organs. Neither is acceptable. Doctors should not remove the uterus or the ovaries. Not only must they be stopped from castrating women, they must be stopped from removing any of a woman’s sex organs.

Make your voice heard.

The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing.
--Albert Einstein

 
At October 4, 2008 at 11:54 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is it possible to collect "Disability" after having a hysterectomy and oophorectomy? Has anyone on this blog been able to collect "disability"? And if you have can you explain what I need to do to get help from the government. My heath is ruined.

 
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At October 5, 2008 at 8:15 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I feel disabled in so many ways now that it is crushing and my health now is poor at best. This is truly a torture, my abdomen hurts and feels mangled from trying to do something as easy as painting. I hardly ever clean my house now and I used to clean it every week, I keep it neat, but have no stamina. The atrophy is gruesomely painful and grotesque and I wish I was dead every day. I cant concentrate and feel like I am in the wrong body, it makes me want to vomit and cry. I should be collecting disability period, no question about it. I am in post traumatic distress as horrifyingly as a soldier at war who had their balls shot off. What a horrifying life my life is now and a very serious malady, derangement and degenerative condition the ob/gyns have inflicted on me by deceit along with millions of women, severely humiliating and embarrassing to boot :/
Stop the legal ob/gyn criminal assault of women by legal surgical assault and battery, Hers Foundation. I am here with you and I understand every day of torture you have endured and the heart break you must feel after so many years of trying to stop this surgical holocaust called hysterectomy/oophorectomy by legal deceit.

 
At October 6, 2008 at 12:30 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mattie, you describe my life perfectly. It is like a soldier getting his balls shot off, except it is worse because they are in a war zone anticipating they might get hurt because they know there's an enemy. Unlike innocent American women who just go to their doctor for health reasons and then get lied to and castrated for profit.

 
At October 6, 2008 at 8:24 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear Hers Foundation, I recently had a hysterectomy and I just wanted to report that for me it has been a very positive experience. For 30+ years I have suffered with heavy and painful periods. I started at the age of 11 and it has robbed me of so much in life. The amount of time in my life I have spent suffering from my periods is irreplaceable. In the last couple of years the bleeding has been so heavy that I became anemic and exhausted every month. I would have one week in the month where I would feel good and the rest of the month was a living nightmare.
Upon investigation it turns out that I had numerous orange sized uterine fibroids. My uterus was the size of a 16 week pregnancy.
Over the years I have tried every available treatment known to womankind, and none gave any lasting relief. This included provera, contraceptive pill, laparoscopy, hystroscopy, dilation and curette, naturopathic and herbal treatment, acupuncture, yoga, feldenkreis etc. And I have spent thousands of dollars trying to gain relief but to no avail.
I initially thought I would have a myomectomy and endometrial ablation but my (female) gynecologist said there were so many large fibroids that there would be no uterus left to stitch back together if they did a myomectomy.
So I made an informed decision to have a hysterectomy. I asked to have my ovaries and cervix retained and they just removed my diseased uterus. To me it is no different than getting rid of any other diseased organ. If it were a diseased kidney, or spleen or gall bladder I'd feel relieved to have it gone and that's how I feel about saying goodbye to my uterus - I am thrilled to wave it goodbye. It has caused me nothing but problems.
I got through the surgery fine and my surgeon has done a very neat job. I am feeling great. I don't feel as if I have been castrated or violated. My energy levels are returning and so has my sex drive. I can orgasm as well as I did before the surgery. I feel as if I can finally regain my life after 30+ years of period horror! I am looking forward to the future and gaining my fitness back. Instead of only having energy to exercise one week of the month, I now have the energy to exercise everyday!
I did not take the decision to have a hysterectomy lightly. I spoke with many women who have had hysterectomies and every single one of them said it was the best thing they ever did. I did not hear one horror story. I just could not go on the way I was as I am at least ten years away from menopause.
My partner found your website and it caused an enormous amount of grief between us because she is so anti-hysterectomy. But not all hysterectomies are bad in my opinion and I was at the point where I had very few options. I am sorry so many women have had such bad experiences on your website. Maybe I am lucky, but my hysterectomy has been a very positive experience for me.

 
At October 6, 2008 at 9:42 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said: "So I made an informed decision to have a hysterectomy. I asked to have my ovaries and cervix retained and they just removed my diseased uterus. To me it is no different than getting rid of any other diseased organ. If it were a diseased kidney, or spleen or gall bladder I'd feel relieved to have it gone and that's how I feel about saying goodbye to my uterus - I am thrilled to wave it goodbye. It has caused me nothing but problems."
Anonymous,
You are obviously the same hysterectomy advocate who has been intermittingly posting. No you did not make an informed decision and for that I am sorry for you.
No woman doesn't want her hormone responsive sex organ! The uterus is crucial to a woman's sexual well-being and for her over-all health and well-being during her entire lifetime. The uterus houses hormones that the inept ob/gyn's do not medically have all of the scientific data on yet, how careless and destructive of the ob/gyns to lie for decades and decades to perform a sex-organ amputation by deceit.
Think again before you try to act like a lesbian this time and promote more lies and deceit. Can you imagine a man saying, I was glad to wave my prostate gland goodbye, it has caused me nothing but problems.LOL

 
At October 6, 2008 at 10:32 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

To Anonymous of 10-6-08 who was happy to have her Uterus removed.

I hope you understand that you were not treated medically successfully, prior to surgery, because your bleeding did not stop and your fibroids did not shrink.

Your health/medical condition would have improved and you would have returned to normal/good health had you received successful, appropriate medical/health treatments.

I’ll bet none of your medical practitioners ever told you, ‘I don’t know how to stop the excessive bleeding successfully.’ It would be interesting if we patients asked our Gynecologists how many successes they have had, with stopping excessive bleeding, in similar situations to ours, when we begin to receive their offers of ‘help’ or possible ‘cures’ for this condition.

If I am being medically treated for years for such a condition, then told I need to surgically remove my Uterus after so many years of medical treatment, I would not consider that a success story!

That does not spell SUCCESS for the doctor, or you! That is an admission by the medical professional, that they are unable to treat you back to good health. Modern doctors’ medical training is mostly geared to treating the effects of diseases, not the cause. The fact that they would give you an aspirin for a headache, and not treat the cause of the headache, is a perfect example. The fact that we are happy to pay them for this ridiculous advice, only shows how far we have come, from the real art of treating disease/health conditions successfully, and are now quite happy to continue doing so, with no thought of how to do things differently, should give us some food for thought.

Doctors are not divine. They are not God. They are human like you and I and need to be treated that way. They make mistakes. They are ignorant about some things, just as you and I are ignorant about some things. None of us is perfect, and I have yet to meet the perfect doctor who had all the answers.

This is logical, truthful, and non-negotiable reasoning!

 
At October 6, 2008 at 11:57 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

To:
1) Anonymous who is happy to remove her Uterus.

Your post is 'suspect'.

Nevertheless, I will respond because I want to help those who might fall prey to your genuine innocence, just in case you are really unaware of the facts.

I can understand the possibility of a ‘honeymoon’ stage immediately following the surgical removal of your Uterus.

You are euphoric at having come through the surgery, and feeling thankful to be alive. You are in the early stages of feeling your body gradually heal from the ‘surgical’ trauma. I am happy for you.

Been there, done that.

After my castration and hysterectomy surgery, my body gradually healed from the surgery, I actually played a game of lawn tennis and thought all was well.

Then 9 months post surgery, I began to get weaker over a period of several weeks and could not go to work. I was rushed to the hospital because I suddenly became semi-conscious. Tests were done to try to determine why my body shut down.

After the test results, the hospital staff and my doctor all said they had no idea why I collapsed. I was released from the hospital after a day or two, and told to resume life as normal! No changes to the only med I was taking, the Estrogen, or any other changes in diet etc. recommended!

I was unable to return to work for many months after this episode, and had to change jobs because I could no longer cope with the loved and cherished office job I had enjoyed for so many years, up to this time.

No doubt, I had suffered from Endocrine Exhaustion. But that would not occur to the medics, because they do not want to link any of the surgery's known after-effects, to the female sex-organ surgery!

The medical profession protects their own. To suggest that I was experiencing the known after-effects from this surgery, would then create questions to be answered by the Surgeon and my doctors! That is a definite no no in the medical profession. They protect their own.

My body could not cope with the loss of one of my seven MAJOR endocrine organs/glands, (my 2 Ovaries). So I went into Endocrine Exhaustion/Shock, and in my case, it took 9 months after my surgery to materialize.

I was also prescribed a fairly high dose of Estrogen immediately after the surgery. I was only age 24, and a very slight build. I was always considered underweight all my life. I conclude that the comparatively high Estrogen dose contributed to my collapse because many years later, when I was finally able to convince one doctor to reduce my Estrogen dose, I did feel a little better for it. He agreed to help me gradually reduce the daily dose over many years. This also helped somewhat.

I was one of the ‘lucky’ ones who lived to go on to endure the next 36 years, post surgery, of living daily agony and health trauma every day of life since.

Enjoy your euphoria. It will not last forever. It is possible neither you nor your doctor(s) are likely to link any of the known after effects of this surgery to any of your future health issues. That is the current par for the course. The medical profession is protecting itself and its lucrative income.

Hysterectomy is BIG BUSINESS!.

Your Ovaries, over time, are not going to be able to function normally because of the loss of your Uterus, and all the hormone and other substances and activities necessary by the Uterus for good health, as it relates to your Ovaries and other body parts and functions.

Your resulting compromised Estrogen and Collagen status will cause trauma to your venous (veins, arteries, capillaries etc.), gastrointestinal, muscular, bone, teeth, eyes etc. no doctor is likely to give you the correct medical information at that time either. They will not make the medical connection to your Uterus removal surgery. They have to protect each other.

Look up Senile Porpura, Cornea tissue tears (of the eyes) etc. These are all related to the compromised Estrogen/Collagen status, likely to occur, after female sex organ surgery. Online, type the words 'Estrogen Collagen' together, and click on 'Search'. There is a lot of useful info there, starting with the Wikipedia definitions etc.

Do not be surprised when you begin to have gradually worsening eyesight difficulties, joint pain, muscle weakness, difficulty balancing when walking, getting vertigo climbing up or down stairs, unable to endure heights of any sort, unable to enter or work in high-rise buildings, short term memory loss,bouts of nausea or vomiting, inability to recognise your usual personality and 'self' etc. etc. The list is extensive, and these are just a few I have personally encountered.

You will find the more accurate health/medical information to help you deal with your post-surgery after effects, on this website and the blogs.

I have posted enough blogs here, along with others, to help point anyone interested, in the right direction. Many of us give details of the nutritional supplements that have helped us, the naturopathic treatments that give some measure of relief, etc.

We are talking from personal experience, and not quoting from some textbook, which the male Gynecologists do! They can not possibly understand the deeper female issues here. No one can talk from experience unless they have gone through these surgeries. Indisputable Fact!

At 60 years of age, I have seen too many incorrect, swift assumptions made, without any deep, long-lasting, detailed investigations and research done, before some junk ends up in some medical text book.

There are too many jerks around, and too many money-hungry individuals ready to sacrifice integrity, truthfulness and honesty for a few pieces of silver. I was very trusting when young. I have learnt a few things since then.

I remember my recovery period, after my castration and hysterectomy. It was medically noted as ‘non eventful’. To my Surgeon/Gynecologist, I am their ‘success’ story. Enjoy the laugh! I laugh daily about this! They are all such a lark!

If you had had the correct medical/health help, you would have been able to balance your system, and eliminating the bleeding problem. I doubt you were born with your fibroids. They had a cause which made them appear and the reason they continued to grow was because the cause was not treated.

I too, had menstrual problems from puberty. I sought medical help for years. I was never medically treated correctly and that is why I ended up with an Ovarian Cyst. End of story.

To:
2) My Kindred Spirit, Mattie.

Your recent post here describes more accurately what I have experienced since my surgery. I have had no other surgeries before or after, and no other illness that could begin to suggest the reasons for experiencing such similar after-effects, as those posting to this blog and those taking part in the HERS Foundation 'After Effect' Survey.

 
At October 6, 2008 at 4:52 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dr. Dan E. Chesnut’s book, “LYING WITH AUTHORITY”, exposes some of what goes on inside the medical profession.

Lying is nothing new to the medical profession, and Dr. Chestnut is willing to expose some of it!

Hysterectomy is big business, and I am convinced there are many in the medical industry willing to lie to keep the business brisk.

The following are some random quotes taken from the Hallelujah Acres newsletter dd 10-7-08:


QUOTE
…The author is Dr. Dan E. Chesnut, a graduate of Oklahoma University Medical School in 1963, who has been licensed to practice medicine for 44 years; has treated thousands of patients with hundreds of different diseases; and thus has a lot of hard-core and hard earned experience.

…“I know many people who stopped these diseases and avoided ghastly surgery and the expense that comes with it. And after these patients shared the success with their doctors the vast majority of them were treated with disdain, arrogant aloofness, or even anger. Can anybody understand that? I once advised an executive of a large retail firm to make some changes in his diet for his ulcerative colitis. It changed his life. His doctors told him ‘food did not matter’. This, my friends, is the very symbol of a very big problem with some doctors and medical care in general: an incomprehensible closure of the mind. . .



…“I want to be clear on what areas of disease I cover. They are infections, allergies, autoimmune disorders, cardiovascular disease, neurodegenerative disease, psychiatric disorders, cancer, arthritis, intestinal disease, drug induced disease and other degenerative conditions. The diseases causing most deaths…

“Regarding surgery, people gasp at the drama and technical wizardry of surgeons and their array of equipment – balloons in arteries, artificial joints, and robots cutting out disease directed by doctors at a computer, regeneration of amputated fingers, high tech eye microsurgery, and so on. But these docs, skilled as they are, are not gods and, please understand, they are often operating to cut out or modify anatomy which is the result of disease, most of which could have been prevented before they came to the operating theater.


…“Just to show you how this works in reverse, I was told by a noted surgeon 12 years ago that my gall bladder was 10% functioning, that I had to have it removed and that diet or supplements would not help. I became a vegan and cleaned up my body. The gall bladder symptoms disappeared completely within 2 weeks and I still have a (normal) gallbladder today! Look at what I saved: surgery, medications, expense and risk of complication! And this is just an example of what may be possible for anyone to do, with many illnesses… END QUOTE

 
At October 7, 2008 at 12:40 AM , Blogger HERS Foundation said...

Anonymous:

I'm glad you feel good about the decision to undergo a hysterectomy, You said you don't feel as if you've been castrated. If your uterus was removed but your ovaries were not, you were not castrated. Castration is removal of the female gonads, the ovaries.

You said that you tried every possible remedy to your heavy bleeding from fibroids, to no avail, and that your gynecologist said a myomectomy wasn't possible because you "had so many large fibroids there would be no uterus left to stitch back together."

If you had read this blog or contacted HERS prior to your hysterectomy you would have known that the only time a myomectomy can't be performed is when the doctor doesn't have the skill. The only time you need a hysterectomy for fibroids is when you have the wrong doctor.

If your cervix was not amputated with your uterus your vagina was not shortened and sutured shut at the top, as it is in almost all hysterectomies. It would be wise to obtain a copy of your surgical report and your pathology report to confirm that your cervix was not removed with your uterus, since that's the way almost all hysterectomies are performed.

You said that "I can orgasm as well as I did before the surgery." Apparently you never experienced powerful contractions of the uterus during orgasm. It's understandable that orgasm hasn't changed for you, you can only lose what you have. If it wasn't in your past experience you haven't lost it. Perhaps you have slight vaginal wall contractions that a small percentage of women report as their experience of orgasm.

The uterus is a hormone-responsive reproductive sex organ that supports the bladder and the bowel. When only the uterus is removed women have a three times greater incidence of heart disease, and when the ovaries are removed the incidence is of heart disease is 7 times greater than it is in intact women. There is no time in a woman's life that she doesn't need her uterus and ovaries.

Your surgery must have been very recent since you said you're just starting to exercise and feel better. I wish you a continued uneventful recuperation.

 
At October 7, 2008 at 9:34 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is starting to sound like the cervix-cut in half and sewn closed at the top of the vagina still works after a hysterectomy and doesn't adversely effect the woman's sexuality. Don't forget the cervical stump is sewn closed too after sex organ amputation.
The woman who lied to me, before I was butchered by deceit, told me the truth after she tricked me. Her ovaries stopped working within a year after her sex organ was amputated because of the lack of blood circulation and trauma to her ovaries. The cervical stump is sutured (sewn) closed too and the woman no longer has a natural discharge of hormones to her vaginal pocket.
The cervical stump-because the cervix is cut off at the base of the vagina to amputate the uterus-ceases to function without a uterus and the cervix stump is then no longer a working sexual organ.
The cervical stump myth is perpetuated by the ob/gyn's to trick women by the millions into thinking her sexuality will not be adversely affected if the (sewn closed) cervical stump is remaining.
A woman's uterus is her sex organ and when it is amputated from her cervix (which is cut in half and sewn closed rendering it a useless sex organ) her sexuality, physiology and over-all physical well-being are mutilated causing life-long damage and adverse consequences.

 
At October 7, 2008 at 10:34 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

male in mich.
In this months "Ladies Home Journal" there is an article mostly condeming hysterectomy as a mostly unnecessary procedure. My wife gets the magazine and I happened to catch the article. I was hoping she would read it as she has multiple health issues caused from shunted endocrine system, including hysterectomy. As I've posted before life is up and down for me. My wife has mood swings from far and wide. I just clear the house on the bad days. On the good days it's bearable.

 
At October 7, 2008 at 12:29 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

To male in mich

I always appreciate reading your male perspective. It somehow validates my own opinions of what the males in our lives must feel when we have undergone these surgical mutilations.

I am so sorry that husbands as well as ALL other family members suffer, not only the females who actually had these female sex-organ surgeries.

I have never been married, and now at age 60, I know that everyone in my family has paid a high price since my surgery. They are innocent, as I was innocent, when this was done to me.

My family do not understand what has happened to me and I am unable to explain, though I do try when I feel they might have an open ear.

It has devastated my relationship with all my family members, my friends, co-workers, neighbors etc. and I am unable to have any meaningful relationship with anyone. This is what this surgery does and there is no mind bending we attempt that can change this. We lose control over our bodies because our bodies are unable to cope without all their essential body parts. We are trying our best. None of us is just giving up. It is our bodies that have given us up.

I can only imagine how difficult this is for you as you are one of the TENS of MILLIONS of INNOCENT VICTIMS of these hysterectomy and sex-organ surgeries.

I appreciate the fact that you appear to be as understanding about your wife's dilema, as you possibly can. She has been dealt a devastating blow by her surgery. It is understandable that she does not understand what is happening to her, especially if her doctors try to persuade her that her post-surgery health issues, have no relation to her current health status.

Lying in the medical industry has become par for the course.

Unless these medical lies are challenged by brave souls, it will continue for generations to come, and affect our children, neices, nephews,grandchildren,grandneices, grandnephews, greatgrandchildren Ad infinitum ...

These surgical mutilators must be stopped!

We victims still have a voice, let us use it!

We can still sign the HERS Foundation Petition, mandating that every patient, before consenting to this surgery, must view the HERS DVD 'The Functions of the Female Organs'

 
At October 7, 2008 at 11:36 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

As I watched the, Barack Obama and John McCain, debate tonight all I could think about when they were discussing health insurance was that I would not have been given an unnecessary hysterectomy/castration for profit if I didn't have health insurance. I wish I never had health insurance my health and body would be intact right now, if I had not had medical insurance. The term health insurance is an oxymoron to me now. I would have declined health insurance if I had known what I know now.
How could we make ourselves less invisible to the President of America when the next president takes office? I wonder if the senators know how serious the casualty's are from this horrible medical lie and epidemic. Would the senators stop the hysterecomization of the American Woman if they were made aware of the situation?. Would, Barack Obama, since he is against lobbyists and special interests act quickly to enact a law to stop the heinous epidemic. Barack Obama and John McCain both discussed atrocities in other countries tonight. What about the hysterectomy/castration epidemic in their own country-22 Million women being deceived for profit by the ob/gyn's in America. That would have been my question in the arena tonight!

 
At October 8, 2008 at 10:14 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Two years ago, I was referred to a gyno after I complained about heavy periods. I was 47 years old.

The gyno manipulated me into consenting to a hysterectomy by misleading me to believe that:
- fibroids are a serious disease for which there are no other available or suitable treatments other than hysterectomy;
- fibroids are massive uterine tumours which grow and multiply quickly;
- fibroid tumours can not be surgically removed and even if he [the gyno] tried to remove just the fibroid tumours, many more fibroid tumours would quickly grow in their place;
- if I didn’t have a hysterectomy, I would become so severely anaemic that I would require life saving blood transfusions;
- if I did not have a hysterectomy, I would invariably suffer from severe life threatening haemorrhaging; and
- my ovaries, fallopian tubes and cervix would only be removed if it was confirmed during the surgery that they were affected by serious and life threatening disease such as cancer.

The gyno removed my uterus, cervix, left ovary and fallopian tube. None of these organs were affected by cancer. I might also add that there have been no cases of gynaecological cancers across 4 known generations of women in my family.

I now know that the surgery was completely unnecessary and my best option would have been to do nothing other than wait for the onset of menopause and the natural cessation of my monthly period.

Since the hysterectomy, I have suffered from severe depression.

I did not suffer from depression prior to the hysterectomy.

I have also sought treatment for a range of health problems including pain, constipation, fatigue, hormone imbalance and loss of libido.

These problems have had a devastating impact on my personal relationships and career prospects.

I have found it very difficult to elicit any interest in my complaint about unnecessary surgery. (By the way, all costs for the surgery were fully subsidised by my private medical insurance cover.)

When I rang a publicly funded women's health service to find out what avenues were available for me to make a formal complaint against the gyno who performed an unnecessary hysterectomy, I was told that I didn't need a uterus.

When I sought treatment from another doctor for the health problems I was suffering after the hysterectomy and had explained to him about the terrible physical, psychological and sexual injury I had suffered as a result of the hysterectomy, he said, "But surely you must be glad that you don't have periods anymore."

I have made a formal complaint against the gyno but the officail finding is that although the surgery was probably not necessary, it's too bad because I signed a consent form. They have closed my file.

I have neither the time or the money to pursue legal action.

I want to warn as many other women as I can to please think long and hard before you agree to the removal of the very organs which define you as a woman.

Seriously think about it. Do you honestly believe that you will find sex as enjoyable once your supposedly "useless" female reproductive and sexual organs have been removed? Do you think you will feel as sexy and loving when your vagina is sewn into a desensitised blind ended pouch?

Whenever, I meet any women now professing to have had a good hysterectomy experience, I ask them if they have sought medical treatment since the hysterectomy. Invariably, they are taking synthetic hormones, painkillers, anti-depressants or are seeking treatment for bowel complaints, back pain etc.

They also are convinced that they "had to have" a hysterectomy even though they did not have cancer.

I just wish I had known about HERS Foundation before I let a gyno scam me into agreeing to this life destroying surgery.

Regards,

Charmaine (Australia)
mainie7@bigpond.net.au

 
At October 8, 2008 at 11:59 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

To Anonymous who posted on 10/6 about her positive experience with hysterectomy. What you don't realize is that you were also duped by the medical profession. You may think you made an informed decision, but sadly you didn't. Although you have tried some other remedies and alternatives, you weren't give the proper and good health care that you deserved. A skilled gynecologist could have removed your fibroid tumors, but you were lied to and only given the hysterectomy option just like millions of other women. Had a gynecologist just removed your fibroids before you became anemic, you would have never suffered the way you did and been in a vulnerable position to just accept a barbaric surgery that doesn't fix a problem, but covers it up and damages your sexuality and pelvic area. Your hormonal imbalances are not caused by your uterus, so even though you do not have a uterus, the imbalances in your body still exist. The uterus is not a diseased organ, but is a symptom of an imbalance in your system. Instead of addressing that imbalance, surgeons like to remove organs because that's where they make their money. They often give women hormone treatments that make their condition worse so they are ripe for a hysterectomy. Your gynecologist lied to you about the myomectomy. Did your gynecologist tell you that the removal of your uterus increases your risk for heart attacks? Have you viewed the anatomy charts that shows all the damage that is done to your nerves, ligaments and arteries when the uterus is amputated, not to mention the damage to your bladder and the shifting of your bowel and other internal organs? Now you still have the hormonal imbalance and now you've incurred damage to your endocrine system, and your health has permanently been damaged.

I've heard many women say "It's the best thing I ever did". That seems to be a catch phrase for this barbaric sex organ surgery when women are trying to cover up the damage they've incurred. You would never hear a man say that being castrated, having his penis shortened and having his prostate removed was "the best thing he ever did". It would be sad if you had cancer and had to have it done, but for it to be done without medical basis, which it was, is truly sad. Did you know they were performing myomectomy in the 1800's? It is not a new procedure, but gynecologists would like you to think it is because it is not where the money is. If you don't believe it, just watch a doctor at UCLA describe how it's done for money at:

http://abcnews.go.com/Video/
playerIndex?id=3892479


Although this doctor also suggests some alternative damaging procedures as the HERS Foundation points out, he does admit clearly that women are being lied to and deceived for profit.

 
At October 9, 2008 at 8:37 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

HELP....This hysterectomy is killing me, I can't take this much longer. How can women survive after this damage? How are you living like this?

 
At October 9, 2008 at 10:20 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I guess Michael Moore doesn't link his web site to Hers Foundation because it would make an ass out of him, after he screamed health care to the extreme. Now it appears he doesn't want to admit Gynecologists are dangerous and systematically de-sexing the American Woman for Profit by Deceit. I am going to ask him again and maybe he can tell us how, knowing he has the influence to stop this heinous de-sexing for profit by deceit, he hasn't even responded.

 
At October 9, 2008 at 10:29 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

To Castrated of Oct 8

I heartily agree with you, and you accurately describe the status quo.

Change is needed, and our voices will not be in vain.

These lying OB/GYNs must be stopped from mutilating women for profit, by deceit.

 
At October 10, 2008 at 12:32 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

This mass de-sexing for profit by deceit is obviously a job for the one and only:
Geraldo Rivera
Geraldo Rivera, could uncover this vault of 22 million heinous hysterectomy/castrations by deceit for profit by the ob/gyn's of America.
Is, Geraldo Rivera, aware of the heinous epidemic? Write to him and find out.

 
At October 10, 2008 at 7:06 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

To Kim of August7, 2008 12:15 AM
Your comment concerning a feeling of "tightness in the chest" rings a bell for me. I'm 60 and I had
a hyst 3 years ago. Since then,I've been having this feeling of tightness, not in the chest, but around my torso from below the breast, right to my back. It's as if I'm wearing a thick leather belt below the breast and it's really uncomfortable. Has anyone else experienced this?

 
At October 10, 2008 at 10:58 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hysterectomy and the removal of the ovaries and cervix are a large portion of the surgery done for sex-reassignment surgery. Yes, ladies, you are about 80% on your way to a complete sex change.

 
At October 10, 2008 at 11:36 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow.... what a let down with this forum. I just found out I have clear cell ovarian cancer. My gyn. and my gyn oncologist have stated (both are women) that it will most likely result in a removal of my ovary (I only have one) and if spread, a removal of my uterus which is likely. They will try to keep my cervix, but won't know until they get in.

I came here for support and encouragement what things that I can expect, things I can do afterward. Instead, I'm afraid I'll by persecuted and hung. I mean... castrated...yikes, what harsh words. I guess... the way you put it.. I'll have no future, no happiness, my husband will leave me, my kids will hate me... I might as well eat worms....and there is NEVER be a reason to get a hysterectomy. Well, if I don't remove atleast my ovaries... I will die and I don't want that.

Geez, I thought I was saving my life by having one. Surely, there is one happy story some where in there... or has everyone given up on life out there?

Please... it seems this group is not compassionate... but I'm asking that you keep your harsh words and how bad my life will be opinions to yourself... this is hard enough as it is.

 
At October 10, 2008 at 11:53 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

What I don't understand is that when people tell you they have good experiences... you still ridicule them and call them liars. Wouldn't you want to know how you could change your misery by maybe asking those that are happy what they are doing? Or are you so wrapped up in misery that you are afraid to change it? Why can't you believe that someone feels better? even if the chances are low... it could still happen. Has someone given you all the knowledge to know how someone else feels? That is how I KNOW WITHOUT A SHADOW OF DOUBT NOT TO TAKE THIS ORGANIZATION SERIOUSLY. YOU COULD CARE LESS IF SOMEONE IS HAPPY... Everyone HAS to be miserable or they are liars. It makes no sense... you're not trying to help people. Don't you see that what you are doing is NOT helping people but instead giving them a forum to moan and groan and feed their misery!!! I'm shocked and appalled. I'll do EVERYTHING possible to be sure every woman I know stays away from this extremist site.... where you are only welcome if you are miserable.

 
At October 10, 2008 at 12:22 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't really get the impression you came here for support, but instead to bash the women who did not have cancer, and who were lied to and deceived into an unnecessary surgery removing their healthy sex organs, i.e., uterus, cervix and ovaries. The removal of ovaries is female castration. All you have to do is look it up in the dictionary to educate yourself. It is harsh and cruel to castrate a woman with a benign condition, but that is what gynecologists are doing, but they like to sugar-coat it by telling you they are just removing your ovaries (because that doesn't sound so bad, does it?). If you have cancer and have to have this done as a life saving procedure, it's sad and everyone has sympathy and compassion for your situation. A lot of vital organs are removed when cancer is present. It's unfortunate, but it is sometimes the only option to save your life. We are not here discussing cancer, but the point of this forum is to bring to light the unnecessary hysterectomy/castration surgery being performed on 90% of the rest of the female population. Would you want to see women who have benign conditions lied to and deceived so that a gynecologist can remove their sex organs for profit? That is the reality of what is happening in the United States every day. Over 500,000 women per year are deceived in to unnecessary surgery. In your case, you may be saving your life. In my case it damaged my health because I did not have cancer, and I had a easily treatable benign condition, yet I was deceived by a gynecologist so he could remove my healthy organs. I am not sure why you would post here attacking women, while ignoring the very reason this forum exists. Do you think it's okay for gynecologists to remove the sex organs of 1/3 of the female population in the United States? Do you think that it is okay for gynecologists to deceive women into surgery when there is no medical basis for it? Do you think that it's okay for gynecologists to withhold information about less invasive treatments and push women into hysterectomy/castration sheerly for profit? If gynecologists only removed these organs when cancer existed, this forum would not exist. My husband hasn't left me, but it's been very difficult on our marriage. My ability to have an orgasm has diminished to about 20%. Intercourse is too painful to even try. I have chronic lower abdominal pain and bladder problems, not to mention many other problems. If we just focus on the 10% of women who have cancer, would that be accurate when this is being done to over a half a million women a year who do not have cancer?

 
At October 10, 2008 at 1:12 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

How could any reasonable thinking women state that it's a good or positive thing to have her sex organs removed for a benign condition, when there more healthy less-invasive alternatives? Why can't someone feel better when their hormone producing sex organs are removed without any medical basis? I would have to seriously wonder about the mental health of a woman who thinks her health and sexuality are better with no sex organs. How is it a positive experience to know that you have increased risk for heart attacks and osteoporosis? How is it positive to know that you have been sexually mutilated and that all the nerves, ligaments and blood supply to your genitals have been severed? How is it positive to know that your bladder has been damaged when it was cut away from your uterus? Everyone is welcome to this site, but the majority of women who post here are honest and brave and not afraid to speak out about what damage the sex organ surgery has done to them. If a man who was castrated and had his penis shortened and prostate removed started posting that it was a good experience and promoting it to other men, do you really think they would believe him? No, of course not, men are not that stupid, and either are the women who are educated and understand the detrimental effects of having their sex organs removed.

 
At October 10, 2008 at 1:33 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

okay.... with that being said then.. for the love of God, stop saying there is NO reason for hysterectomies. By your statement there atleast 10% that have reasons. AND PLEASE stop calling women "mental" because they say they are happy. It's not ME bashing anyone... have you read the posts on this forum? and yes, I did come here for help.... didn't find any. I consider myself pretty brave to announce I'm getting a hysterectomy (cancer related) in this forum... or maybe just stupid. You have got to look beyond what YOU are feeling. You cannot continue to allow the statements "never get"... it's just false and dangerous.

 
At October 10, 2008 at 2:29 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank all for your comments here.
I have been recently told by my OB/GYN to have hysterectomy due to a 10 cm uterine fibroid. I'll definitely look for other treatment. Bless your good hearts!
Does anyone know how I can get contact with a board-certified gynecologist referred by HERS?

 
At October 10, 2008 at 3:19 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

To Anonymous with cancer. You seem to miss every point that has been written on this website. You failed to answer any of my questions. Maybe it's you that needs to look beyond what you are feeling. I'm sure it's very scary to be told you have cancer. Yes, I have read all the posts on this forum. They are from women who have been lied to and deceived into unnecessary surgery for profit. Gynecologists are doing this to over a half a million women per year with benign conditions. That doesn't seem to bother you. While you say you are looking for support, you seem to have no sympathy or empathy for other women who have been falsely and maliciously deceived into this surgery. It is false and dangerous to promote a barbaric surgery for women with benign conditions when there are less-invasive organ saving procedures. What you may not realize is that many women are told they might have cancer when they don't, and then their sex organs are amputated when no cancer is found. There is a poster on this blog who was told she might have cancer because of a 6 cm fibroid and for that reason she went in for surgery. When the gynecologist found just a simple fibroid and no cancer, he amputated her uterus, cervix and ovary. This is done to women all the time with the cancer scare and without any medical basis. It's too late when the woman wakes up without her sex organs. Any reasonable thinking person would see something seriously wrong with that.

 
At October 10, 2008 at 3:23 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

To Anonymous with the 10 cm fibroid. You can reach the HERS Foundation at (610) 667-7757 or you can go to hersfoundation.org and click on the contact button for other options. It's great that you have come to the right place for the correct information so you can save your sex organs. Let us know how you are doing. Hugs.

 
At October 10, 2008 at 9:06 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

To anonymous October 10 11:36 I am sorry you have been diagnosed with cancer. May I ask how you know you have cancer? What kind of test did they do? There is a blood test that shows you have cancer. Did they tell you what would happen if you did nothing about it? Or did they just give you surgery as the only options. If they did, I wouldn’t trust them. Susanne Summers has a new book out about her experience with cancer. She talks about other alternatives. Please look into other alternatives. Call Hers see what they have for other options. Did the doctor mention other treatments like radiation after your surgery? Did you see a regular Oncologist, not a gyn oncologist? Without your own Natural hormones you will have a lot of problems. Doctors will never, can never match your own hormones.

 
At October 10, 2008 at 10:53 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is very scary being told you have cancer. These doctors and OB/GYNs use that hackneyed scare tactic to the max. especially for the purpose of offering hyst as the only alternative.

It is obvious some people come to this website with an agenda, which may include attempting to abort and frustrate the efforts of the HERS Foundation.

Those who do so, very quickly discover that HERS and those of us who have suffered so greatly from the deceitful, lying OB/GYNs, will not be sidetracked.

HERS has educated us and our mission is to educate others about the alternatives that will allow women to keep their sex organs.

Obviously the woman who was just told she has cancer, is not interested in any of the posts on this site or elsewhere that give direct information, or website or book info telling the SUCCESS stories of people cured of cancer.

Some of these people welcome contact from others so they can share their success story.

That is one HUGE reason why we need to continue to educate others on this site so they can cure their cancer, save their body parts and be happy.

Not everyone can receive that GREAT NEWS.

There are none so blind as those who will not see, and none so deaf as those who will not hear.

I wish the best for everyone, including the recent cancer victim. I hope she can cure her cancer as that is obviously better than any surgery.

She has missed all the positives on this site because of her own agenda. If she has not read ALL the blogs on HERS, then she is wasting her time just reading a few that comments here that irritate her.

Do you think she will listen?

 
At October 11, 2008 at 12:06 AM , Blogger HERS Foundation said...

First, I would like you to know how sorry I am that you have been diagnosed with ovarian cancer. This must be a very difficult time for you.

The purpose of this blog is to provide everyone with the opportunity to talk about their own experiences with hysterectomy. We provide the information that is not be given to women by doctors and hospitals, the information that is requisite to informed consent. It is not a judgment about a woman’s choice to undergo a hysterectomy. HERS supports a woman’s right to choose what she feels will be best for her. But to make that decision she needs to be fully informed about the adverse effects of the surgery. People have different ways of expressing their views. If a offends you, you might want to move on to the next comment.

HERS does not delete or edit comments unless they promote a product. Our policy is to not allow any commercial use of HERS blog. We welcome all other comments. Many women posting about what they have experienced since being hysterectomized are extremely angry and sad. When a woman is hysterectomized and castrated without the information requisite to informed consent, her anger and sadness are completely appropriate. If we suppress justifiable anger in an effort to not ruffle anyone’s feathers or have them feel scared, then women will never have access to the important, accurate information about the consequences of removing the female organs that is her unequivocal right. There are some things that we should scared about, they can change your life forever. Hysterectomy is permanent, it cannot be undone. When some comments are expressed in a way that is uncomfortable to hear, the message is still clear: hysterectomy is a damaging surgery, and removal of the female gonads, the ovaries, is castration. It takes real courage and true grit for a woman to say “I have been castrated, my body and life are forever changed, and I’m going to do everything in my power to make this information public so that this will not be the legacy of the next generation of women. I can see why some comments may be perceived as an attack. However I believe that they are an effort to correct wrong information (such as someone claiming to still experience uterine orgasm after the uterus is removed) so that anyone reading the blog will not be left with a dangerously wrong perception about sexual feeling after hysterectomy.

Even in the small number of hysterectomies and castrations that are life saving women have a right to information about the consequences of the surgery. The choice of treatment is yours. HERS supports your fully informed decision to choose what is best for you.

I wish you the best of luck with your surgery and recuperation.

 
At October 11, 2008 at 9:50 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is hard for me to do, but I am desperately trying to find someone, anyone, that may be going through something similar to me. My situation is a bit unusual.
I had a total hysterectomy and removal of both ovaries just over 3years ago. I was only 33. I went through (and still go through) living hell with surgical menopause and continued pelvic pain from endometriosis/scar tissue. I went through some counseling and to various doctors and specialities and am on various bioidentical hormones and it seemed like I was finally getting to a place in life where I could function halfway normally and "accept" what happened to me and all the changes going on with my body. Then...
I developed an eating disorder, namely anorexia nervosa with bulimic tendencies. I dont directly "blame" my hysterectomy for this. I went through this when I was a teenager. I "recovered" after hospitalization and kept my weight to a minimally healthy range/slightly underweight for many years. After my hysterectomy my body went haywire and suddenly and terrifyingly I felt I had no control over things that were happening to my body and emotions. As my hormone issues were being worked out, I watched my weight first plummet (after being put on a strict yeast free diet for six months to control the raging yeast infections caused by hormonal imbalances due to severe hormone deficiencies and imbalances) then slowly increase until I was at the highest weight I have ever been at in my life. One day I looked in the mirror in disgust when I couldnt fit into my size 12 jeans and I vowed to do what it took to regain control of my body. Well, now five and a half months later my weight is a two digit number and my bmi is barely 16. My health is in a shambles and I am so obsessed and wrapped up in this sickness I feel like I am losing my grasp on reality. I can not pull myself out of it, yet I can not find the will or desire to get help. I realize I am on a suicide mission and I cant stop. I already have osteoporosis which was diagnosed one year after my hysterectomy. My thyroid disorder is worse than ever. My blood pressure is extremely low. I feel like the walking dead. I exercise daily fearing that I am going to faint and be "found out". I dont want to live but I dont want to die. Life is so overwhelming. I can not eat without fear or guilt. yet I obsess about food, exercise, calories, fat, rituals, etc. 24/7. Its hard to find anyone who understands. I am not a teenage girl. I am not intact. I am menopausal...castrated...at 36. Am I the only one in the world who's eating disorder was triggered by having a hysterectomy and the loss of my ovaries? Can ANYONE relate?
Thanks,
Starving for Understanding

 
At October 12, 2008 at 5:04 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am sure if doctors were removing people's kidneys without any medical basis, no one would be arguing about cancer, or saying it's okay because 10% might have cancer.

 
At October 12, 2008 at 11:39 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dissecting the heinous trickery of legal hysterectomy/castration by deceit;
Maybe I should ask my family doctor to prescribe the Hers Foundation conference for me, there is a doctor present at the conference. Perhaps the doctor at the Hers Conference could charge me for his time explaining what was done to my body and I could send it in to my medical insurance company. My medical insurance company should pay for me to go to the Hers conference to learn what was done to my body from an anatomy expert and legal expert. I am suffering from sex organ amputation and the explanation by the anatomy expert would further explain the physical, endocrine and psychological damage I am suffering to make sense of the chaos my physical and emotional health are in since the unnecessary amputation.
I do miss my body, mind and passion that is the horror of this hysterectomization. I didn't sit around in severe pain, sexless and pity myself before, I was happy and had passion before I was hysterectomized. I don't enjoy my life now or stating these facts or trying to dissect all of the heinous trickery that is involved in this inhuman attack on a human being. I can't believe I ever consented to have this done to me, I didn't. This is the confusing part of all of this and why I keep trying to figure out what happened to my body and why it was legal for the doctors to do this to me.
I shouldn't be spending my time dissecting this medical horror. This heinous attack on the female anatomy is the medical doctors of this country's responsibility. I am physically and emotionally so harmed and sick from this sex organ amputation and I am desperate to find out why? I have become very suicidal as well. Why are the doctors of this country keeping this trickery and medically heinous physical attack hushed? There are medical facts to back up the chaos my body is in now. So why all the secrecy, why am I spending my time coming to the same conclusion every time I learn another medical fact confirming my physical disability now. One of the doctors who talked with me after the hysterectomization did say to me, "you are disabled now and will need to learn what your limitation are". The doctors and nurses can attack me for profit by deceit legally and amputate my sex organs, I am disabled, and I need to learn what my limitations are. This is the reality of what was done to me by a greedy, sick ob/gyn practice. This is what I experience on a daily basis now, and there is no doubt I have Post Traumatic Stress Disorder caused by such a severe medical assault by deceit for profit.

 
At October 12, 2008 at 11:47 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I had a strange looking "cyst" that didn't go away for 3 months, so the doctor told me that instead of removing the cyst she would do a total hysterectomy since I was so close to menopause. BIG MISTAKE!!! I went home from the surgery with a fever and rectal pain that progressed over the next 7 days. I was miserable with pain, nausea, vomiting, hot/cold and clammy. Went to her office and she told me to take Milk of Magnesia and an enema. I vomited all night long. She called me in the a.m. to tell me to go to the Emergency Room because the blood tests she took the day before showed that I had a raging infection somewhere. A CT scan was done; During the procedure she burned a hole in my colon. I had to have an emergency colostomy! I had this for 7 months; During take-down I got MRSI staph infection. Went home 7 days later and returned the following day with a bowel obstruction. I was never told about all of the information available on the HERS website. Had I known, I would have at least gotten a second opinion and then demaanded that they only do a biopsy instead of a total hysterectomy. Since my hysterectomy I have had debilitating fatigue, pain in my left back/buttock, severe sweating and hot flashes that are not being well controlled by Estrogen patches. I have a strong family history of breast cancer and shouldn't even be on Estrogen. I don't know what to do next. I've tried natural therapies and accupuncture but no help. I would strongly advise against a hysterectomy unless it is necessary to save your life. My quality of life SUCKS right now. I've gained 35 lbs since my hysterectomy almost 4 yrs ago and have had 4 glaucoma surgeries. It has ruined my life.

 
At October 13, 2008 at 12:14 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

There’s BIG BUCKS in selling them thar EGGS!!!

If you don’t believe there is BIG money to be made selling eggs from the female Ovaries, think again.

TV Channel 4 (WFOR) ‘The Early Show’ between 8am and 9am this morning 10-13-08, mentioned these options for women. I went to the website for one of the Centers mentioned on that TV program. Below are some extracts from that website:

BEGIN QUOTES:

… THE CENTER FOR EGG OPTIONS is happy to assist perspective donors or recipients in any way possible ….

Address:
840 Apollo Street, Suite 310
El Segundo, CA 90245

Prospective donors and recipients are seen by appointment only. Please call ahead to schedule:

Tel: (310) 726-9600
Fax: (310) 726-9603
Pager: (310) 613-0088

Compensation
... The recipient is responsible for all medical and legal expenses. Compensation is $5,000 - $10,000 to all donors who complete an egg donation cycle.

Facts About Egg Donation
... Egg donation is the process of taking healthy eggs from a fertile woman and using them to help another woman conceive who is infertile. Taking eggs from a donor is possible because young, fertile women produce dozens of eggs every month that are never used. To the best of medical knowledge, these extra eggs can be safely donated without affecting the woman's ability to conceive in the future.
Each doctor has his/her own protocol, but to produce 15-20 eggs at a retrieval, the donor is put on medications to stimulate her ovaries to produce many eggs. These medications need to be taken as instructed and donors must attend every scheduled medical appointment. The success of the cycle depends on this. The egg retrieval is an out-patient procedure. You will be put to sleep by general anesthesia (to avoid any discomfort), so you must arrange for a support person to drive you home, as you cannot drive yourself...
END QUOTES

If I was told I had cancer and needed to remove my Ovaries, I sure would investigate the option of selling my own eggs during the surgery, rather than allowing someone else to be given the BIG BUCKS for selling MY OWN EGGS to the biggest bidder!!!!!

Still trust those lying OB/GYNS?????

 
At October 13, 2008 at 12:21 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Center for Egg Options website mentioned donors had to be between ages 18 to 30 for the best fertile, healthy eggs.

Still wondering why OB/GYNS are targeting younger and younger women, and are focused on the teenagers now for Ovary removal???

The more the merrier, would seem to be their motto!

Ladies, HOLD ON TO YOUR EGGS!!!

 
At October 13, 2008 at 1:31 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

At the CBSnews.com website below

http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/earlyshow/main500202.shtm

You can click on the topic,

‘More Women Selling their Eggs’

and also click on the
‘Eggs For Sale’ Video at the same website to view the short clip aired on their show this morning.

What happens to all those eggs removed along with the Ovaries during castration and 'total hysterectomy' surgeries?

That's what I want to know!

 
At October 14, 2008 at 2:28 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi I'm 29 years old. I was told by my doctor that I have a fibroid with a size of an orange. I went to sonogram and I'm waiting results. Should I be worried since the fibroid is big? what should I expect? There is history in my family of both ovarian and breast cancer. Any feedback is good

 
At October 15, 2008 at 1:52 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

TQ says:

To Starving - I think what you really meant to say is "I don't want to live like this but I don't want to die."

That's a sentiment many women who have posted completely understand post surgery. This one phase attempts to sum up the futility of treatments and the terrific after effects (not complications) of surgery.

To the newly disagnosed (cancer, fibroids, endo, etc.), it would be a shame if any woman does not heed the information found on the HERS site or from the posters. There are a few things that I believe:

1) panic can result after diagnosis, and prevent the time and study for complete understanding of circumstance and next steps

2) a diagnosis or unconfirmed suspicion of cancer, should never mean hysterectomy as a foregone conclusion

3) There are numerous questions that are never addressed by the medical community and may not come to mind by the patient concerning the function and service of the uterus singularly and in conjuction with the ovaries in female health

Without the answers that HERS has demanded women will continue to have no basis to determine consent when confronted with a recommendation of hysterectomy.

 
At October 15, 2008 at 3:22 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Below is an excerpt from an article about how human tissue is acquired for profit. The article is located at:

http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/summary_0199-6017085_ITM

Some doctors view their patients as treasure troves, taking tissue from them without their consent. When physicians who were also researchers were developing contraceptives from fertilized eggs, their employees would encourage women to have unprotected sex in their fertile periods before getting pelvic surgery. In one study, these doctors recovered 34 fertilized eggs from women undergoing hysterectomies, tubal ligations, and other pelvic surgeries who apparently did not realize they were pregnant. One of the doctors joked about how he "poached" eggs--piercing patients' ovaries and aspirating their eggs while they were having pelvic surgery for other reasons. (4)

 
At October 15, 2008 at 6:50 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

This was posted on the Bioethics Blog by Kate. I felt that it is important to copy this horrific story here:

I was the patient of a N.Y.C. gynecologist. He was recommended to me by a neighbor whose husband was the president of the hospital. I thought I was going to a top doctor. I was in excellent health and ran 4 miles every morning. I had a pedunculated fibroid with no symptoms. The doctor recommended a hysterectomy. I refused telling him I felt perfectly well. On a routine visit about 2 years later, he announced that the fibroid had grown and needed to come out for "analysis". I asked him to remove only the fibroid for analysis. He became angry and agitated, saying,"there's no choice, no option and no alternative. If you do not listen to me, you'll be in serious trouble. I'll do a meticulous operation and be assisted by my partner, also an expert. There will be absolutely no complications and you'll completely recover. Tell your husband that you must have this operation now. I asked to see the consent form. He replied that - that's done only at the hospital. I'll go over everything with you and your husband there. A few days before the operation, his financial office called to explain that because I was having this world expert, he would require several thousand dollars over what BC/BS would pay - and they put this fee on my master card. I again asked if I could see the consent form. "No, the doctor will go over everything with you at the hospital" .
At the hospital, the intake nurse handed me a consent form. I told her the doctor would be coming to go over evrything with me and my husband and I refused it. She told me to undress and sit on a folding metal chair. After 7 hours, they called for me. They brought me through the labyrinth corridors and onto a public elevator. I felt embarrassed to be walking through the halls undressed. My husband was brought somewhere else. I was taken to the basement where the operating rooms are. Fist-pumping rock and roll music came blasting from the operating room. I was stunned and felt fear and confusion. After sitting there for one more hour, the anesthesiologist brought me into the operating room. He started an iv- I thought the doctor and his partner would be coming any moment. Instead, the anesthesiologist motioned to the door and a team came to the table- a fellow and two residents and started to operate on me. I tried to scream but it was too late. In recovery, the nurse said I could not have any pain medication as I had already stopped breathing once.The next day, I awoke to something wrong with my legs, my feet, my vagina and bladder. I was overwhelmed by what had happened. At home, I had vertigo for one week. The doctor would not return my calls. I consulted with nuerologists about a constellation of nuerological problems. I was diagnosed with acute onset of MS from the trauma of the hysterectomy. Stunned and devastated I traveled to another major medical center in another state. They concurred with the diagnosis. I brought a case against this well connected doctor but a friendly court dismissed my case and also another woman's. I appealled. My appeal was denied. I believe this happened for three reasons-1) money- this is quick easy and lucrative opertion 2) unknown to me this doctor was a director of resident training- I was a body for them to practice on 3) misogony- you really need to hate women to inflict the suffering the removal of their sexual organs causes. Imagine th outrage if a doctor removed recklessly the sexual parts of a man.
Kate

 
At October 17, 2008 at 9:08 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

i had this horrible surgery last dec. i regretted it as soon as i woke up in my hospital room. i had initially gone to the dr for a consult on endometrial ablation, but was talked into the surgery because the ablation might not work.

i have been in therapy ever since. it doesn't help because the therapist had the same operation and concurs that sex drive is diminished, weight gain happens, depression is normal, etc.

i went to see the dr again one month ago because i was afraid my ovaries were shutting down and i was going thru menopause (blood tests revealed that is not the case). the dr's exact words to me when i told her my problems were "you just need to move on and get over it". she offered something called "scream cream" to help with orgasm loss. i wanted to punch her and showed a tremendous amount of self restraint by not doing so.

my sex life is kaput. i can't bring myself to see the neurologist about my migraines because i didn't want to fill out the questionnaire and answer questions regarding female health. when i had a ct scan and it asked me the date of my last period, i lied and put a date 3 weeks prior. in fact, i absolutely refuse to go see another doctor EVER. i learned the very hard way that doctors are not to be trusted. my once perfectly flat stomach has an ugly red scar and a pooch (that i refer to as my gut). i have migraines, mood swings, and zero sex drive. not that i can have an orgasm if i had sex anyway. i am in no way the person i was before surgery. she was a good person, one who was worthy of love and life. now......i don't know who i am.

my husband thinks i am crazy and he is unsympathetic. i am seriously considering just becoming a martyr for the cause and taking my own life because i will never recover from this because i can never go back to being the same as i was before surgery.(i was thinking that the one year anniversary of my surgery would be a good day). for those of you thinking of doing it for heavy menstrual bleeding, i will just say that i would rather be housebound for 5 days bleeding than feel like this. this is absolutely no way to live.

i won't mention the specific drs name, but i will say that if you live in the jackson, ms area, do NOT go to any practice near River Oaks Hospital. See...I won't even name the practice, but I suspect they are all the same.

i will also say, EVEN if you have "friends" that have had the surgery and say it is the best thing that ever happened to them, don't base your decisions, even in part, on them. i took my friends word, and it ruined my life. to develop coping strategies seems pointless. i don't want to COPE. i want to be better than ever. and nobody cares if i am or not.

 
At October 18, 2008 at 7:49 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Personality Disorder? No-Hysterectomy/Castration!
I thought the woman who lied to me before I was hysterectomized, and told me the truth after, had a "Personality Disorder". I always attributed her lack of enthusiasm and lack of passion to a "Personality Disorder" and was naive enough to think some women were just not a passionate as others. Now I know what is wrong with her, she was hysterectomized and copes by lying about it and harming women the same way she was harmed. Now I don't know how to "cope" with the fact that any woman would lie to another woman about sex organ amputation and what that means medically. No, don't trust a woman who say's sex organ amputation is "the best thing that ever happened to me". Just think how sick it would be if a man would say that having his penis cut off by deceit was the best thing that ever happened to him, how sick.
Anonymous...Try to stay alive to help us end Hysterectomy/Castration by deceit for profit. Try with all of us, we need every Honest Woman Alive who has suffered this assault on the female anatomy to end this legal torture.

 
At October 18, 2008 at 12:32 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Please rate your criminal surgeon on www.ratemd.com. Tell how you were lied to and state the documented aftereffects of this surgery. Also, rate any other doctors you saw or have since seen that are enablers. You do NOT need to register to rate doctors on this site so you can remain anonymous.

 
At October 18, 2008 at 2:18 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

In response to Mattie's most recent post - yes, I too now realize that the woman (co-worker) I thought had a personality disorder has "post-hyst / castration syndrome" like all other castrated women. And she also lives by the motto "misery loves company." She actually hugged me before my surgery and told me not to worry but just work half days the first week back because I would be tired." Ironically, the 6 to 8 week "recovery" was no big deal. It's life in general post-hyst that is a BIG DEAL and sucks big-time. I only wish I could mail her the HERS Newsletter that has the article "What Women don't Tell Other Women about Hysterectomy and Castration." But I still have to work with her which is very difficult. I did have the nerve to send this newsletter to another woman who also acted like castration is no big deal.

 
At October 18, 2008 at 7:29 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

To December suicide: I could relate to everything you said. This is such a sickening way to live that it's hard to get through another day. The only thing that keeps me going now is to want to see justice for all women. If I kill myself, it will be one less voice to speak out (which is just what these criminals want). I've thought many times of going to the hospital and sitting out on their hospital sign and blowing my brains out, but then I figured I wouldn't be seen as a martyr, but they'd just write me off as a nutcase because that's what they want to do anyway after they butcher and mutilate women. They like to hack us up and then basically laugh at all the health problems we have. ACOG (American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists) is dedicated to mutilating women for profit. They are the most cruel organization on the face of this earth, and to make it worse, their "cover" is "healthcare." At least we knew Hitler was a sick man, but these sick ACOG members put themselves out to be healthcare providers, when they are nothing but skilled serial mutilators. What a sick scam! What a perfect crime! So December, please stay here with us and speak out to stop this heinous act of cruelty from happening to another generation of women.

 
At October 19, 2008 at 10:30 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Regarding rating your castrator on www.ratemd.com, be sure to list the HERS Foundation's website www.hersfoundation.org. This will provide women with the resources they need plus further discredit these mutilators and give more visibility to our cause.

 
At October 21, 2008 at 7:52 PM , Blogger Gracie said...

This goes to all the women that have written on the HERS Blog. I again challenge you to send in a donation today. Without your help, the HERS Foundation would not be able to provide more than 8,000+ women each year the information they require to make an informed decision about hysterectomy and alternative treatment options.

There wouldn't be nowhere for women who have undergone the surgery to turn to for coping strategies and validation of what they are experiencing and there wouldn't be a HERS Foundation to stop this from becoming the legacy of future generations of women.

Where would we go for help before or after our surgeries? I know the HERS Foundation and Nora has helped me alot with myself and with family members. I know she has helped alot of women that have written on this blog.

We need the HERS Foundation and we need you to send in any amount of donation today. PLEASE HELP OUT! We need to all care like HERS does. You can go online like I did or you can send in your donation. DO IT NOW!

 
At October 21, 2008 at 10:40 PM , Blogger HERS Foundation said...

Gracie,

Thank you for your contribution and your support of HERS work. As you know, Tiger, Irene, Rick and I work very long hours and push ourselves to the maximum every day. I work almost every night, too, and feel at the end of every day I've used all of my personal and professional resources to bring us closer to the goal of stopping this tragedy from being done to the next generation of women and girls.

You make a real difference, Tiger. I appreciate all you do to encourage others to do what they can, too.

There is no contribution that is too large or too small. For several years HERS received a contribution of $1 a month from a woman who milks cows on a farm in Wisconsin. We receive regular contributions from a man who lives in public housing in a senior citizens building in Philadelphia. His contributions of several pennies are taped to a letter of gratitude for what HERS does.

And others contribute more, because they can.

Every penny counts at HERS. We are thrifty and stretch every dollar as far as it can possibly go. We're very proud of HERS accomplishments, none of which could happen without the help of everyone who cares, everyone who is part of the solution that will end this terrible, tragic abuse of women.

 
At October 22, 2008 at 10:18 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

To Gracie,
Without the Hers foundation and the knowledge, support, coping strategies I don’t think I would be here today. You can’t put a price tag on knowledge. Knowledge is power. Hers foundation has opened my eyes to the lies, and deceit that the American Medical Ass! ociation, doctors and the medical establishment are all about. I can’t thank Hers enough for all the help I have received.
Valerie

 
At October 25, 2008 at 3:34 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

It seems animals have more rights than human females. Recently I heard a talk show with a group that is advocating to cease castration of pets especially dogs and cats. Why don't I hear about human females sexual rights? It should be blasted from every rooftop, radio station, tv station, newspaper, pickets etc.

Furthurmore, I do not understand why the Catholic church and the right to lifers have not denounced hysterectomy/castration of human females which takes away the very means of creating the precious lives that they want to preserve from conception.

Wouldn't it be great to start a fund to post adds on television warning the public about the adverse affects, problems etc. arising from hysterectomy/castration/neutering? It would not be that expensive to do a 60 second add. Also, a large one page add in the New York Times might prove affective.

To CT, who says hysterectomy turns a woman into a man, I think it is more like being a neuter. We are asexual, desexed eunochs.

I am glad to see so many boycotting the gynes!

It had been over 17 years since I was desexed/neutered/castrated,hysterectomized. It has been torture, but I keep pushing myself to exist and go through the motions of a life that was pretty darn good up until this disasterous surgery that was performed on me at the age of 51.3, the average age of menopause. I was still having normal regular periods at that point in time. How disillusioning it is to have to live out the so called golden years in this pathetic manner. I guess it beats the alternative of not being alive, but sometimes I don't think it would make that much difference.

 
At October 25, 2008 at 11:09 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

femica

As Leader of the Austrian support group for hysterectomized and castrated women (the first support group for this topic in the german spoken world) I have to mention that so many doctors here in our countries still ignore the strong impact of surgical castration and the short term and long term effects of hysterectomy and castration.
Concerned women in our countries very often are let completely alone in her harm. They are not supported as well as there families do not get any help.
The most surprising fact is, that so many doctors in our century and modern world don't know the difference between natural menopause and the consequences of castration. Women with their sexual organs and women without their sexual organs are the same for them. They call all this "Wechseljahre" the german term for menopause! It is exhausting and strongly traumatizing for concerned women to stand all this brutal ignorance.
All the medical facts in medical litterature about the obvious consequences for physical, mental and sexual health on women’s bodies are ignored! Every woman can read all this via internet in “lancet”, “BMJ” , “Pubmed” and so on.... When women confrontate her gynecologists about these facts they have to recognize that their gynecologists often don’t know the enodcrinological facts after hysterectomy and castration. Why is all this possible?
Why don’t any organizations help the concerned women?
In Europe we are pleased about the existence of HERS- so we know that we are not alone and HES gives us a voice!
And we hope strongly that politicians all over the western world will soon make an end to the surgical abuse and non information of concerned women - PRIOR to surgery! Also help after surgeries must be guaranted- this is not the case at all now!
It is hardly believable that such things done to women are possible in the 21th century and that nobody semms to be really interested in this topic!
Alcoholics and criminals get help and support but the harm of castrated and hysterectomized women is still ignored by medical communities and by women organizations
Women are first castrated surgically and then they are "castrated" by the ignorance of society. It is a SHAME!
femica

 
At October 25, 2008 at 6:14 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Listening to this board and all you women..I feel really bad for you. I had hysterctomy just to remove the uteris 2 years ago. It was the best thing I have done. I have never felt better in all honesty. I have also lost wieght by going to the gym and being very careful with what I eat so it is possible to lose.

I am not telling you it was an easy recovery.It was really tough the first year but I have managed to get through it and feel really good. The 2nd year which i just passed was really good.

I have a real good mind frame for everything and I think that helps alot. To all you women on her dont think this is the end you can live very healthy and happy lives. Seek help if needed however not by this website. I went to a natural pathic the virst year I really think that made a difference.

On another note get real statistcs, not the ones on year. Go to the hospitals and do reasearch you will be surpirsed. Another note. I have pleanty of family and freinds that have had hysterctomys only 1 out of about 23 has had issues which is fixed now, I am not saying your isssues are not real however there are so many sucsseful hysterctomys.

Food fof thougth,eveyone on here knows how many hysterctomys are done yearly millions. Would you not think that this blog would have millions of entries of women complaing and not just 400.
If every hysterctomy goes bad. Just food for thought,
Takew care of yourselfs and kepp a very postive mind things will get better,and stay off this website.

If you are wondering why i am on here my doc actually showed me this webiste last year. Answered all my questions. Take care and think positive.

 
At October 25, 2008 at 9:01 PM , Blogger HERS Foundation said...

Anonymous,

If you sincerely mean it when you say that having one of your hormone-responsive reproductive sex organ removed was the best thing you have ever done one can only conclude that you never experienced uterine orgasm. It’s also not an improvement in natural female anatomy for the vagina to be shortened and made into a closed pocket.

It’s interesting that your doctor didn’t show you HERS website prior to obtaining your consent to remove your uterus. Nor did he/she inform you of the structural support to the bladder and bowel that would be comprised by the surgery, and the many other important functions of the uterus. Why do you suppose the doctor waited until a year after your surgery to tell you where you can find factual information about the adverse effects of the surgery when it clearly would have been helpful to you in making an informed decision about whether or not to proceed with hysterectomy.

The uterus produces prostacyclin, which gives women cardiovascular protection. If only the uterus is removed a woman has a three times greater risk of a heart attack. If her ovaries are removed she has a 7 times greater risk of a heart attack.

The loss of the functions of the uterus will not be avoided or improved by positive thinking. They are anatomical fact. A heart attack will not be avoided by positive thinking. Uterine orgasm will not occur without a uterus because one wishes it with positive thoughts.

It is quite sad and shocking that you encourage other women to avoid becoming fully, accurately informed so that they will be subjected to the same losses that you have since your surgery.

You can stop being part of the problem, you can become part of the solution by telling women the truth. Tell women to watch the video “Female Anatomy: the Functions of the Female Organs” at www.hersfoundation.org/anatomy so that they can be fully informed. Informed consent can only occur when you have full, accurate information. No information? No Consent!

 
At October 25, 2008 at 10:33 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is in regards to the last comment. You honeslty beleive what you just said get your facts straight about all those heart problems you mentioned.

Why is it that anytime someone tries to post something postive on this site she is bashed for it.You honeslty beleive that everyone that has had hysterctomy has problems. Please if that was the case I would have come across many many miserbile women in my lifetime.
Lot of women have had very great outcomes after this surgery. Stop all the crap on this site. YOU ARE NOT HELPING WOMEN THAT REALLY NEED TO HAVE THIS PROCEDURE DONE.

By the way my doc did tell me about all the effects and I did have many opions before I did it.
Also she did mention this site before I had surgey FYI.

Stop discourging women because a friend of mine really needs this surgery right now to save her life an you are scaring the shit out of her. She fiends it really hard to believe that I am doing great and so are other people she knows because of this site.

Thats why I am on here.

 
At October 25, 2008 at 10:33 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is in regards to the last comment. You honeslty beleive what you just said get your facts straight about all those heart problems you mentioned.

Why is it that anytime someone tries to post something postive on this site she is bashed for it.You honeslty beleive that everyone that has had hysterctomy has problems. Please if that was the case I would have come across many many miserbile women in my lifetime.
Lot of women have had very great outcomes after this surgery. Stop all the crap on this site. YOU ARE NOT HELPING WOMEN THAT REALLY NEED TO HAVE THIS PROCEDURE DONE.

By the way my doc did tell me about all the effects and I did have many opions before I did it.
Also she did mention this site before I had surgey FYI.

Stop discourging women because a friend of mine really needs this surgery right now to save her life an you are scaring the shit out of her. She fiends it really hard to believe that I am doing great and so are other people she knows because of this site.

Thats why I am on here.

 
At October 25, 2008 at 10:57 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

serves to receive the sperm in mares
transports sperm from site of deposition to uterine tubes for fertilization
provides suitable environment for
a. implantation of the embryo
b. nourishment of the embryo & fetus during pregnancy
provides mechanical protection of the fetus
expels the mature fetus at the end of pregnancy 3 main functions no where did i read that it produces whatever you are saying..

 
At October 26, 2008 at 1:24 AM , Blogger HERS Foundation said...

Anonymous:

These are a few citations for medical journal articles that you might want to read about the effects of hysterectomy and female castration on the cardiovascular system:

Early menopause and the risk of myocardial infarctionRosenberg, Lynn et al
American Journal of Obstetrics and Gynecology
“Among women who became menopausal because of bilateral oophorectomy, the estimated relative risk of MI increased with decreasing age at menopause, and women who underwent bilateral oophorectomy before age 35 were estimated to have a risk of hospitalization for MI approximately 7.2 times that of premenopausal women."

Time interval from castration in premenopausal women to development of excessive coronary atherosclerosis
Parrish, Henry M. et al
American Journal of Obstetrics and Gynecology
“Those castrated 10 or more years before age 50 did have significantly more severe coronary artery disease. It took an average of about 14.4⨥2.57 years after castration before excessive coronary heart disease."

Premenopausal hysterectomy and cardiovascular disease
Cetnerwall, Brandon S.American Journal of Obstetrics and Gynecology
“A premenopausal simple hysterectomy is associated with a threefold increase in the subsequent incidence and prevalence of coronary heart disease during the remaining premenopausal years.”

I understand your frustration at having “good news” about hysterectomy countered by women talking about the adverse effects of the surgery that they have experienced, as well as the documentation in medical journal articles. But some things in life don’t have a good side, some things are just damaging, like hysterectomy and castration. Can you imagine a man reporting that amputation of his penis and testicles was the best thing he ever did, and that he feels great, so other men should ignore anyone who says amputation of the penis and testicles is damaging because he's doing just fine. Women are not superhuman. Removal of the female organs is a mutilating, damaging surgery with serious, permanent adverse effects. I'm sorry that these are all things that you are learning in this very public way. They are the facts that every woman has a right to know before she is told to sign a hysterectomy consent form.

 
At October 26, 2008 at 3:19 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

male in mich.
I have posted a number of times from the male perspective side. And responding to the poster indicating "it was the best thing I ever did". Living with a woman who has this procedure done to her is difficult in most cases. While I can recognize the need to have a organ removed for life saving reasons it must be recognized as well that major disruptions to the endocrine system can only cause future problems. Maybe these problems don't manifest for some time maybe a few years. However, unnecessary surgery to help pay for the golf membership of the OB/GYN is another matter. Problems will develop as has happened to my wife. She refuses to acknowledge her problems are the result of her hysterectomy. After my wifes surgery everything seemed normal for about 1 year...then things went to hell quickly. Maybe the real terminology needs to be changed from "hysterectomy" to "castration". If more men realized what was about to happen to their wives or girlfriends the trend would change. I know I was fooled and research after things started sliding downhill in our relationship lead me to understand what happened to my once loving and wonderful wife. I know that if a man has his testicles removed his health will begin a downward spiral. I once had a family friend who suffered from prostate cancer. He was elderly and the urologist (quack or butcher)urged him to be castrated to alleviate hormonal influence on his cancer growth. He died about 1 year later from heart failure. His health never recovered from his castration surgery and his last year of life was agonizing. Likewise castrating a women can't help but have negative impacts on her health. My wife has mood swings that go from left to right. One day she hates me the next she acts like things are OK...our relationship has suffered as a result.

 
At October 26, 2008 at 4:38 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

femica

The big importance of ovaries are well documented in medical litterature.
It is unbelievable and shocking that despite of this knowledge so many women are castrated only for "prophylactic"! This is pure cynisme for every castrated woman when she is reading articles like the following one AFTER her surgery!

Department of Obstetrics and Gynecology, Wayne State University School of Medicine/Hutzel Women’s Hospital, Detroit, Michigan, USA
Available online 17 January 2006.


The ovary is a complex metabolic organ.

The follicles produce both androgens and estrogens, whereas the stromal tissue synthesizes androgens only.

When menopause occurs, both androgen and estrogen levels decrease.

The postmenopausal ovary remains a source of endogenous androgens that are converted to estrogen.

The consequences of premature removal of the ovaries are not well known.

The risks and benefits of menopausal hormone therapy (HT) in women with premature menopause have not been studied.

Women who have had surgical menopause experience more severe symptoms and will need to stop estrogen therapy at some point in their lives.

Intense symptoms such as hot flashes, night sweats, and insomnia will redevelop, so women should be given informed consent about the need for long-term use of HT and the greater difficulty in discontinuing therapy.

http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S0002934305009150

 
At October 27, 2008 at 2:04 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, I have not been at the Blog site for awhile. I had to stop around reading posts as of 9/15, but I surely have some comments. So here goes...

First of all, bless you, the man who posted regarding your wife. Your wrote some amazing words. I am sure so many thank you.

Secondly, the person who said the people posting here are "whiners", should be ashamed. Your post made it seem as if these were just opinions. These are real women who have gone through real experiences. These are facts posted. Shame on you, again, for thinking we are "whiners". I have been through a Hyst., and know first hand that it was unnecessary, but only found out in the aftermath, what I would realize as the horrific consequences. My life has changed so dramatically to the negative. The doctor pushed me to get a Hyst., and right away. As one person posted in September; as soon as the doctor found out the insurance was good...the surgery was scheduled right away. This same thing happened in my case. My insurance was due to lapse February 1st, of 2004. He pushed me to have the surgery right before this. (I figured this out later, the method to his madness with this.)

People have blogged about the options of getting other opinions. I had been with the OB/GYN for twenty years. I had FAITH in him. He got angry with me when I said I had done one thing with going online, and since the Hyst. he was pushing me to have was due to two fibroids, I checked and said to him that I had found that a Myomectomy was an option. He got upset; in that, he said, the people who recommended this on a website, did not know me, and it was not an option. Little did I know... it was. I understand it is a type of surgery a doctor needs to be accomplished at; but, also it does not pay as well.

My sad and personal story is, again, I had known this doctor for many years. I put my trust in him to tell me the truth of what I needed. He did not tell me of what the complications would be that could follow. He pushed for me to have the surgery right away. (Again, in the retrospect, he wanted me to have this surgery while my insurance was still intact.)

He kept saying, "You will feel so much better after this, and you won't have to worry about anymore periods. Won't that be nice?" He knew I wasn't going to have anymore children. I will never forget with having my husband in there for this office visit before the surgery. This doctor seemed to play upon my husband with this factor. It was as if it was a "Man to Man" thing; with the "No more bloody periods". He basically, used my husband in promoting this surgery. How sick!

One post read here - "Actual validated information, and less hysterical conspiracy theory hype." How could you state this?
Are you out of YOUR mind? The people who have posted here are real women (and men) who have gone through something so horrific. They are posting with facts of how their lives have been devastated. Are you in need of help for not getting the understanding of the real and true harm being done to so many women. We are not hysterical; if you mean hysterical as a term as being not in the right frame of mind. We are angry, upset, and horrified for what doctors have done to our bodies. Wake up, and you again, should be ashamed at your posting. The women posting here are intelligent, and honest people. We were deceived; however, and that would be our only claim to 'fame'; in that, we were trusting our personal doctors, and had faith. There is nothing wrong with believing in one's physician. Gosh, how could we even go and see a doctor, period, if this was not the case?

The only reason a person would be hysterical, would be because of posts as yours. I invite you to personally blog me, and I will give you a fight and stand behind all women who have posted here, and you won't stand a chance with whatever you say; because, right is right, and wrong is wrong...

I am sure you have hurt women who have posted here. Shame on you, again. Why do you even post here? Are you a vengeful person? I will forgive you for your posts, but stupid is as stupid does... Wake up, Anonymous. You are a wicked person to not realize what has happened to so many women and men involved with this. People don't post here because of being hysterical; except, being hysterical with people as you...

 
At October 27, 2008 at 11:29 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I posted here shortly ago, but read some further posts. I went over again some posts made; as I had not been to the blog site for a time. One person posted; which was sad; in that, she said she "found it interesting that no one should have a hysterectomy ever". I guess this is what she gathered from reading the posts. It sounded as if she was going to go ahead with her Hyst., but I wonder how she is doing now... (This post was back in April.) I so wish I could have gotten on the phone with her to share and stop her!

I also wanted to say to "Male in Michigan" - I thank you, thank you, thank you - I mean it - for your posts!!! You are on the same "page" with my husband.

Oh, then... let's get to the post by "Anonymous on 9/11 @ 5:12 p.m. -

You state "Do your research before agreeing to surgery, but stop making it sound like someone attacked you, and ripped out your uterus!" "All this whiney - I'm a victim crap is making me ill." "Castration, amputation...being used..."

Anonymous, you are so much the whiner. Have you even read the posts?

With this many people posting, and sharing so many different personal experiences, facts, etc. on what they have gone through (including myself), I feel so strongly about this; in that, it is dramatic, it is a matter of castration to a female, and you have no clue because you have not listened, for one, and until you go through this, yourself; you will never understand or grasp what is happening to so many women and men with these barbaric operations! "Whiney"? Thank goodness we have this site to be able to save women to not experience what so many of us, who have posted here, have been subjected to.

You need to turn this around with your attitude, and be grateful there is the Hers Foundation to support this and, again help people. The word "Whiney" makes me so angry, I'm sorry, but it does; for you to even use this in your vocabulary regarding this topic with us.

We, who have had faith in our doctors, and then been put through this insanity, are the ones who are not "Whiners", but advocates to help to stop this. You make me "ill" to have read this; what you posted. You have no idea of the extreme situation surrounding this subject, and by goodness, everyone wants to trust in their doctor, and believe. If this is not the case, then why is there even a medical profession out there to say one is to have a Primary Care Physician, and stay with one? Otherwise, it should be mandated that (with what you are saying), a person needs to go to several physicians to get an answer to a question/options with doctors; i.e., everyone should have two, three, or more doctors to go to? Tell me how we establish this with our insurance perimeters, and then we will talk... Get it? People get wary and concerned with whatever type of insurance they have with seeing another doctor even. Will insurance cover this? Again, get it? We are in a system which forces us to stay within a realm of these 'perimeters', and leads us to stay with one doctor. Let us not forget...we want to have trust and faith in the PCP we have chosen; including our Primary Care OB/GYN - inclusive. Get it? No whining here - just you - whining about what you want to justify as a reason to "attack" - we who have gone through "Hell".

By the way, you state, "...but stop making it sound like someone ripped out your uterus!" This is an understatement. The doctors who have done this to us have done far more than this. They have "ripped" our lives apart. You are an uneducated person to think anything otherwise.

Oh, you make me upset! Your comments are so unfounded...

 
At November 1, 2008 at 4:22 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

To male in michigan. It looks like the drug your wife is taking is a synthetic form of estrogen. Notice the risks and side effects. It's obviously poison and very bad, like most poison drugs. If she is having menopausal symptoms, it's much safer to take natural supplements that can be found at Costco or health food stores. I have found that menopause supplements that contain black cohosh help, and they don't do any harm.

 
At November 1, 2008 at 8:32 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

To male in mich,

This is my penny's worth, regarding your query - 'Enjuvia’

I have never heard of it, however, want to share some personal comments regarding Estrogen generally, from almost 40 years of personal experience of using the Premarin brand of ‘conjugated’ Estrogens.


Both my Ovaries, Uterus and Cervix were surgically removed when I was in my early twenties. I was told by my OB/GYN then, that I would need to be on Estrogen Therapy for the rest of my life, and that the 'conjugated' Estrogens would probably be the most helpful, and to be very cautious about changing from this particular type of ‘conjugated’ Estrogen. Premarin is the only brand name I know, which produces the ‘conjugated’ Estrogens.

I have found that no other type of Estrogen has been able to help me, and I am totally dependent upon it.

I believe this is because ‘conjugated’ means there are a wide variety of different types of estrogens contained in the Premarin pill, probably combined in a particular way, and made to function in a particular method within the body. This is my guess based on the literature I have read.

I am not recommending anything, or suggesting your wife try the Premarin. I want to share my own info and hope it will be helpful in some way.

I have not been able to wean myself off the Premarin (brand name) of Estrogen. So to date, I would have to agree with all my doctors who have warned me not to stop it. I have tried a few other types of Estrogen, for very brief periods and had almost traumatic, immediate, negative effects. I have tried them gradually, cold turkey, and the results are all the same. I need to return to the Premarin quickly.

Many people, like myself, are disgusted at the thought that this Premarin drug is made from the urine of pregnant mares. However, Premarin appears to be life saving, in my case. This is why women who do not need Premarin, and can function on a different type of more natural Estrogen, do not understand why it is that some women still take the Premarin. You will not meet anyone more ‘health conscious’ than me, or anyone more desirous of using all ‘natural’ food and supplements, than me. No amount of telling me how mistreated the mares are, or how disgusting using horse urine is, can deny the fact that it is life saving in my case.

The age at which we each have these female surgeries may also influence which types of Eestrogen replacements are helpful to us. I say this based on my conversations with others who have had this surgery and shared their info with me. Every female’s body is different and therefore there is no one type of Estrogen that will help everyone, in my opinion.

I know some female friends who function satisfactorily using the more ‘natural’ brands of Estrogen which are not ‘conjugated’ Those ladies I have spoken with, had their hyst surgeries done later in life, around their natural menopausal years, or afterward. I have tried very gradual reductions of the Premarin, even shaving tiny pieces off each daily pill, over 6 month- periods of time, and longer. I have always found that I needed to return to the minimum dose of Premarin my body would tolerate, and as quickly as possible. I also have an adverse reaction when taking a higher dose than my body can tolerate. This means I am in a constant state of making absolutely sure I am always taking the exact dosage my body needs at any particular point in time. Few doctors can know this as well as we can, if we are well acquainted with and knowledgeable about our own bodies.

Stress can cause the need for a change in the daily Premarin dosage, depending on how our individual body's handle stress. This includes physical-health stress, not just external stress factors.

One IMPORTANT, critical factor overlooked by many who take Estrogen Replacement is that these meds need to be taken at the SAME TIME OF THE DAY, on the days they are taken. In other words, taking the pills at a different hour of the day, each day, can actually create major problems. I know this from personal experience, and also from all the doctors consulted about this topic, who warn about this danger.

It was also confirmed by my MD that too high or too low a Premarin dose (not sure if this applies to any other brand of Estrogen supplementation) also affects the viscosity of my blood. In other words, when I am on too HIGH a Premarin dose, my blood THICKENS and when I nick my finger accidentally and squeeze the cut site, no blood will flow! Conversely, if I am on too LOW a Premarin dose, my blood THINS, and when I nick my finger accidentally, it will bleed profusely and I have to make great effort to stop the profuse bleeding and the cut site takes forever to heal. When on the accurate dosage of Premarin, the clotting time and healing reactions appear more normal, though not as normal as before my surgery.

Anyone who says, ‘This is the best decision I every made’ after having these female sex-organ surgeries, is obviously speaking from a position of ignorance and I make no apologies for this statement.

This blood clotting issue I experienced, ties in with - and helps to explain partially why - women are more prone to heart conditions, stroke etc. after female sex-organ removal.

Bottom line, my opinion is, that whatever your wife finds is helpful to her, whether or not she can explain to you or her doctor why or how it is helping her, I suggest is worth the try. Hopefully, this will be done under careful supervision and observation so that an early intervention may save her from a traumatic outcome, if necessary. She may only need to adjust the dosage, or the time of day each dose is taken, and not actually stop the medication, in some cases.


More often than not, medicines and nutritional supplements tend to help only temporarily anyway, after we have had these surgeries. Our bodies can not perform normal body functions normally, and therefore do not handle nutritional supplements or meds in the same way that an intact body would.

Please let us know how your wife does on the Enjuvia.

Thank you for your continued comments to this blog. They are a great encouragement to me.

 
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