Hysterectomy and Female Castration: the Enablers Part II
Gundersen Lutheran Medical Center, La Crosse, Wisconsin
This is the second in a series of Posts to highlight omissions of fact and misinformation about hysterectomy currently being provided to women on hospital, doctor, and medical school websites. In Part I of this series we demonstrated that the degree of accuracy of the information that women receive about hysterectomy from the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center (UPMC) depends in part on how women search their website. To read Part I (and the 176 comments from women around the country) click here.
Part II of this series highlights the Gundersen Lutheran Medical Center’s seriously deficient patient education product known as X-Plain. As you will see, much of the information provided by X-Plain isn’t supported by anatomical fact or what women experience after hysterectomy.
The reason that we’ve selected Gundersen and UPMC as the first hospital websites to be investigated isn’t because they’re the only hospitals providing misinformation. They were chosen because they’re both typical of patient education information published on hospital websites throughout the country.
Point your web browser to http://gundluth.org/. Click on “Health Information,” then “Interactive Patient Education.” Next, scroll down to “Hysterectomy.” Note that the first screen that you come to defines this tutorial as a “lesson.” Click on “Run Module” and follow the instructions.
The next screen that you come to under the Gundersen Lutheran Medical Center banner says, “Welcome to X-Plain,” which is defined as, “A series of health education programs published by the Patient Education Institute—the leading provider of interactive computer based health education!” According to the Patient Education Institute’s website, this lesson in health education is becoming the “standard of care” in the medical industry. The Patient Education Institute claims that this information will help hospitals like Gundersen to:
• “manage malpractice risk”
• “document patient education and informed consent,” which can be linked “to the patient ID”
• “saves staff 15 minutes per patient”
• and, “if needed, this completion data can be saved to your EMR” (electronic medical record) and used in “legal proceedings” to “counter any claims”
After the welcome page you’re then told, “For questions or problems with this module, please contact Gundersen Lutheran at 608-775-5441 or 1-800-362-9567, Extension 55441.”
Proceeding through the lesson, in the section titled “Anatomy,” the tutorial tells patients, “Menopause occurs when the ovaries quit producing hormones and releasing eggs.” However, this information incorrect. The ovaries continue to produce hormones after menopause. In fact, they continue to produce hormones all of a woman’s life.
Later we’re told that the cervix “opens in the vagina, which in turn opens to the outside…” This is confusing information to say the least. In fact, the uterus is continuous with the cervix, which is continuous with the vagina, and the cervix is the part of the uterus that is at the top of the vagina. The cervix is the opening to the uterus. The phrase “which in turn opens to the outside” makes no sense.
In the section titled “Treatment Options” patients are told that “fibroid tumors may shrink after menopause without the presence of estrogen.” While it is true that fibroids typically shrink at menopause, the rest of Gundersen’s statement is untrue because the ovaries continue to produce hormones—including estrogens—all of a woman’s life.
As it is with both UPMC and Gundersen, one of the most consistent potentially damaging omissions on the websites of America’s hospitals is the failure to inform the public that the uterus is a sex organ. And one of the most consistent false statements made on hospital websites is that sex will be the same or better after hysterectomy. If hospitals and doctors did inform women that the uterus is a sex organ, then women would immediately know that removing the uterus results in sexual loss. So when Gundersen claims that “your health” is their “passion” but then says in this patient education lesson that “hysterectomy does not affect sexual sensations,” what are we to conclude? This statement is false. It’s untrue.
The removal of sex organs certainly affects uterine orgasm, because uterine orgasm isn’t possible without a uterus. Furthermore, Gundersen claims, “Sexual activity can be resumed within weeks and can be as pleasurable as it was before the operation.” What they don’t mention is that the vagina is shortened during hysterectomy, it is made into a closed pocket, and it is sutured shut at the top when the uterus is removed. Most women don’t consider a shortened vagina, scar tissue at the top of the vagina, a loss of vaginal elasticity, loss of uterine orgasm, and diminished or lost physical sensation in the vagina and external genitalia to result in a sexual experience that is as pleasurable after the surgery as it was before the operation.
The reason that this information must be provided to women is that the functions of the female sex organs aren’t visible the way that the functions of the male sex organs are visible. In other words, the functions of the female organs aren’t self-evident the way that the functions of the male organs are self-evident. In telling women information about the uterus that is unsupported by anatomical fact, not only is Gundersen not informing women of the information that they need in order to make an informed decision, women are potentially misinformed. Gundersen has supplied a patient education lesson that omits the very information that women need to decide what they and will not allow to be done to their bodies.
In the section titled “Procedure” Gundersen goes on to tell patients, “The aim of the surgery is to take the uterus out. Sometimes the surgeon may decide to also take one or both ovaries out along with the fallopian tubes.” The message here is that clearly the doctor’s “aim” may also be to remove the female gonads as well. And if you acknowledge that you have completed the X-Plain tutorial, then in a court of law it can be demonstrated that you were informed that the surgeon may also castrate you without further discussion.
Gundersen fails to use clearly understood and informative language. The medically correct word for removal of the ovaries (the female gonads) is castration. The National Institutes of Health reports that about 75% of hysterectomized women are castrated at the time of the surgery, although the incidence of cancer in the ovaries and the testicles is nearly identical, at only .01% of the population. Gundersen then reinforces the fact that the doctor may decide to remove your ovaries when they say, “After the pelvis is entered, the uterus is taken out. The surgeon may also decide to take out the ovaries and fallopian tubes.” In other words, let the reader beware—you have now been informed. Without any further discussion, the surgeon (not you) “may also decide” to castrate you, and if you acknowledge watching this tutorial then you have consented to castration even if the doctor, nurse, and anesthesiologist verbally tell you that they won’t.
In the section titled “Risks and Complications” patients are told, “This procedure is very safe. There are however, several possible risks and complications. These are very unlikely, but possible. You need to know about them just in case they happen.” Again, these are strange and potentially damaging statements. While we always appreciate simple language that is easily understood, much of X-Plain’s language is vague, imprecise, and not supported by anatomical fact. It either doesn’t mean what it says, or it doesn’t say what it means. According to S. S. Meltomaa et al in their study “Incidence, risk factors and outcome of infection in a 1-year hysterectomy cohort: a prospective follow-up study,” which has been widely published since 2000 in the Journal of Hospital Infection and in the Journal of the American Association of Gynecologic Laparoscopists to name a few, “Infection is a common complication of abdominal and vaginal hysterectomy and may lead to prolonged hospital stay.” In the study, 19.2% of hysterectomy patients (one out of five) developed hospital-acquired infections.
One of the things that makes this hysterectomy “lesson” so potentially damaging is the fact that women who take part in it are periodically required to answer true/false or yes/no questions. If you don’t answer right away, a voice insists, “Please answer the question.” In order for you to proceed through the tutorial, you must provide the required answer, or the software program won’t advance the screen forward to the next section. If you answer incorrectly, you’ll be asked the question again and again until you get it “right.” This would all be well and good if their answers were correct and supported by anatomical fact…but some are not.
For example, X-Plain asks patients to answer the question, “Are heart attacks and other anesthesia related complications common during and after this operation?” The correct response to this question would be “yes,” because hysterectomized women have a three times greater incidence of myocardial infarction than non-hysterectomized women, and if their ovaries are also removed women have a seven times greater incidence of myocardial infarction. And precise estimates of anesthesia complications are difficult to come by, but about 1/10 women experience minor complications like bruising and headache; about 1/1,000 experience much more severe complications like lung infection or damage to the teeth, lips, or tongue; and about 1/10,000 will experience very severe complications ranging from impaired vision to death. But in order for patients to proceed through the tutorial they must give the “no” answer to this question. After patients answer the question falsely, that false answer is then reinforced by a pop-up dialogue box that repeats the false information. In a court of law, the fact that you have proceeded through the tutorial means that you must’ve answered their question as required, which could be construed as agreement. Documentation of your responses could then become the hospital’s protection to “counter any claims” that you might bring against them.
Next Gundersen asks patients, “Are infections very common after surgery?” As we have demonstrated and medical literature has made quite clear, the correct answer is “yes.” Infections are indeed common after surgery. But again, the patient must answer “no” in order to continue, thereby requiring women to agree with a false statement.
After repeatedly requiring patients to either end the tutorial or answer some of their confusing questions wrongly, Gundersen continues with more information that is unsupported by anatomical fact. They say, “Rarely, structures in the pelvis and abdomen can be injured during the surgery… It is very rare for the tubes connecting the kidneys to the bladder as well as the bladder itself to be injured.” Again, this is untrue. In a report presented at the American Urogynecologic Society / Society of Gynecologic Surgeons Joint Scientific Meeting, Barak Vakili, MD said, “The overall incidence of intraoperative injury is 5.1%, with the risk increased when patients undergo concomitant surgery for prolapse or incontinence.” With damage to the urinary tract occurring in more than one out of every 20 women undergoing hysterectomy, it’s not a rare occurrence. In fact it’s quite common. It occurs more than 31,000 times each year during hysterectomies performed in this country. In a more recent study published in the October 27, 2007 issue of The Lancet, Dr. Daniel Altman et al said that hysterectomized women “had a more than doubled risk increase for subsequent stress-urinary-incontinence surgery.”
Gundersen then goes on to say, “In extremely rare situations, the intestines and the blood vessels could also be affected, necessitating another operation.” Information that is supposed to inform women about the consequences of a major operation should be very clear, but this statement is too unclear to understand what it is that they’re trying to say. Are they referring to the blood vessels of the intestines? If so, then yes, it would be very damaging to lose blood supply to the intestines, which is rare. But if they’re referring to the rich blood supply attached to the uterus, those blood vessels are always permanently damaged during hysterectomy because the blood supply to the uterus that radiates throughout the pelvis must be severed to remove the uterus. Severing this vascular supply affects the flow of blood to distant organs and limbs, including the intestines. If X-Plain is discussing the vessels of the intestines, then the fact that they neglect to discuss the vessels of the uterus (the organ that is removed during hysterectomy, which is the topic of this lesson) is a blatant omission.
“Similarly,” Gundersen claims, “in extremely rare situations, small nerves in the pelvis may be injured resulting in decreased sensation in the sexual organs. Rarely, this can lead to sexual dysfunction.” What sex organs are they referring to? The ones that were removed? This is potentially a very damaging statement because, in fact, all of the nerves that attach to the uterus must be severed to remove it. Those nerves radiate throughout the pelvis, and supply enervation (feeling) to the nipples, clitoris, vagina, and elsewhere. But they obviously no longer serve that function after they’ve been severed to remove the uterus. What Gundersen refers to as “extremely rare” actually occurs in every hysterectomy. The uterus can’t be removed without severing those nerves, and they can’t be reattached. Furthermore, uterine orgasm can’t occur without a uterus. So, in fact, some or all of a woman’s sexual function is permanently lost, resulting in “sexual dysfunction” in every hysterectomized woman.
And now Gundersen’s patients are apparently ready for another quiz: True or false? “After a hysterectomy sexual pleasure is decreased.” Clearly, the correct answer is “true.” But once again, in order to proceed women must provide the false, incorrect answer that is unsupported by anatomical fact. And when patients provide the false answer, Gundersen reinforces that false statement by telling patients, “Correct. Women whose conditions caused pain during sexual intercourse, report a more enjoyable intercourse.” As we have said, most women don’t consider shortening the vagina, a loss of vaginal elasticity, loss of uterine orgasm, and diminished or lost physical sensation in the vagina and external genitalia to result in a sexual experience that is as pleasurable after the surgery as it was before the operation.
Later, women are asked another true/false question. “One of the side effects of a hysterectomy is weight gain.” True or false? The fact is, women who contact the HERS Foundation report that although their diet and exercise remain the same, on average they experience weight gain of 25 pounds or more in the first year after surgery. But Gundersen patients are required once again to answer this question falsely if they want to continue with the lesson.
In the section “After the Surgery” patients are told, “You can resume your sexual activities within six weeks. This operation will not change your sexual lifestyle or sensations.” Let’s be very clear here: The only way that the removal of sex organs won’t change your sexual lifestyle or sensations is if you never experienced them to begin with. In fact, it will always change your sexual lifestyle and sensations, because it will eliminate the possibility of uterine orgasm and some or all of your sexual feeling forever.
Gundersen’s hysterectomy lesson continues by saying, “Most likely, the operation will free you from the chronic pain caused by the uterine problem.” Once again, Gundersen and the makers of X-Plain appear to be unfamiliar with medical research and anatomical fact. Thomas Stovall, MD et al said in the journal Obstetrics & Gynecology, “Despite preoperative history and physical findings suggesting and histologic findings confirming uterine disease, nearly a quarter of the patients have persistent pelvic pain after hysterectomy for chronic pelvic pain. These findings should have a significant impact on the therapeutic choices recommended by gynecologists and may alter the informed consent that patients give in such cases.” Based on what women report to HERS, chronic pain is much more common after hysterectomy than even this report suggests.
In conclusion, Gundersen tells patients, “Hysterectomy is a very safe and successful operation. It can be a positive solution for many serious conditions affecting female reproductive organs and causing pain and bleeding.” And with that, Gundersen completes its tutorial on hysterectomy without addressing the well-documented consequences of this life-altering surgery. In fact, Gundersen might have mentioned, hysterectomy is widely considered to be the most over-utilized and medically unwarranted surgery in America. It is rarely used to treat actual medical problems that have no conservative treatment options, and the vast majority of hysterectomies are recommended and performed for benign conditions.
The mortality rate for hysterectomy is approximately nineteen out of every ten thousand women. In the last decade there were an average of 621,000 hysterectomies performed each year in this country, so about 3.25 women continue to die every day of every year in hysterectomy operating rooms or in the immediate post-operative period…almost 1,200 women each year. But the damage caused by removing the uterus and severing the nerves, blood supply, and ligaments that attach to it occurs in all women who undergo hysterectomy.
Hysterectomy represents more than $17B/year in revenue to America’s hospitals. Its aftermath is well-documented and available on the HERS Foundation website. Be your own judge, but what does “relatively safe” mean? It isn’t ever “relatively safe” for the woman whose body is cut into and whose sex organs are removed.
As a patient education tool, it would be far more informative and precise for Gundersen to say that hysterectomy is a dangerous operation that causes serious, permanent anatomical and physiological destruction and life altering changes. The surgery itself causes permanent pain, permanent sexual loss, and a host of medical problems that women who remain intact don’t experience.
Let the reader beware. Before you make any decision about female surgery watch the 12-minute video “Female Anatomy: the Functions of the Female Organs” at www.hersfoundation.org/anatomy.
Email HERS at hersfdn@earthlink.net if you know of a doctor, medical school, or hospital website that you think should be highlighted on this blog. If you would like to talk with women about the consequences of hysterectomy, HERS provides a network of women who will talk with you about their experiences.
If you have undergone a hysterectomy at Gundersen or their affiliated hospitals after relying on information from X-Plain, contact HERS at hersfdn@earthlink.net.
*** ANNOUNCEMENT ***
Part I of this series was posted on January 1, 2008. Regarding the information below, HERS acknowledges that on or before February 6, 2008 UPMC deactivated the link to the “Hysterectomy” and “Preparing for a Hysterectomy” sections of their Patient Education Materials, thereby eliminating contradictions with the “Hysterectomy” section of their Procedures materials, which remains active.
Part I of this series was posted on January 1, 2008. Regarding the information below, HERS acknowledges that on or before February 6, 2008 UPMC deactivated the link to the “Hysterectomy” and “Preparing for a Hysterectomy” sections of their Patient Education Materials, thereby eliminating contradictions with the “Hysterectomy” section of their Procedures materials, which remains active.
This is the second in a series of Posts to highlight omissions of fact and misinformation about hysterectomy currently being provided to women on hospital, doctor, and medical school websites. In Part I of this series we demonstrated that the degree of accuracy of the information that women receive about hysterectomy from the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center (UPMC) depends in part on how women search their website. To read Part I (and the 176 comments from women around the country) click here.
Part II of this series highlights the Gundersen Lutheran Medical Center’s seriously deficient patient education product known as X-Plain. As you will see, much of the information provided by X-Plain isn’t supported by anatomical fact or what women experience after hysterectomy.
The reason that we’ve selected Gundersen and UPMC as the first hospital websites to be investigated isn’t because they’re the only hospitals providing misinformation. They were chosen because they’re both typical of patient education information published on hospital websites throughout the country.
Point your web browser to http://gundluth.org/. Click on “Health Information,” then “Interactive Patient Education.” Next, scroll down to “Hysterectomy.” Note that the first screen that you come to defines this tutorial as a “lesson.” Click on “Run Module” and follow the instructions.
The next screen that you come to under the Gundersen Lutheran Medical Center banner says, “Welcome to X-Plain,” which is defined as, “A series of health education programs published by the Patient Education Institute—the leading provider of interactive computer based health education!” According to the Patient Education Institute’s website, this lesson in health education is becoming the “standard of care” in the medical industry. The Patient Education Institute claims that this information will help hospitals like Gundersen to:
• “manage malpractice risk”
• “document patient education and informed consent,” which can be linked “to the patient ID”
• “saves staff 15 minutes per patient”
• and, “if needed, this completion data can be saved to your EMR” (electronic medical record) and used in “legal proceedings” to “counter any claims”
After the welcome page you’re then told, “For questions or problems with this module, please contact Gundersen Lutheran at 608-775-5441 or 1-800-362-9567, Extension 55441.”
Proceeding through the lesson, in the section titled “Anatomy,” the tutorial tells patients, “Menopause occurs when the ovaries quit producing hormones and releasing eggs.” However, this information incorrect. The ovaries continue to produce hormones after menopause. In fact, they continue to produce hormones all of a woman’s life.
Later we’re told that the cervix “opens in the vagina, which in turn opens to the outside…” This is confusing information to say the least. In fact, the uterus is continuous with the cervix, which is continuous with the vagina, and the cervix is the part of the uterus that is at the top of the vagina. The cervix is the opening to the uterus. The phrase “which in turn opens to the outside” makes no sense.
In the section titled “Treatment Options” patients are told that “fibroid tumors may shrink after menopause without the presence of estrogen.” While it is true that fibroids typically shrink at menopause, the rest of Gundersen’s statement is untrue because the ovaries continue to produce hormones—including estrogens—all of a woman’s life.
As it is with both UPMC and Gundersen, one of the most consistent potentially damaging omissions on the websites of America’s hospitals is the failure to inform the public that the uterus is a sex organ. And one of the most consistent false statements made on hospital websites is that sex will be the same or better after hysterectomy. If hospitals and doctors did inform women that the uterus is a sex organ, then women would immediately know that removing the uterus results in sexual loss. So when Gundersen claims that “your health” is their “passion” but then says in this patient education lesson that “hysterectomy does not affect sexual sensations,” what are we to conclude? This statement is false. It’s untrue.
The removal of sex organs certainly affects uterine orgasm, because uterine orgasm isn’t possible without a uterus. Furthermore, Gundersen claims, “Sexual activity can be resumed within weeks and can be as pleasurable as it was before the operation.” What they don’t mention is that the vagina is shortened during hysterectomy, it is made into a closed pocket, and it is sutured shut at the top when the uterus is removed. Most women don’t consider a shortened vagina, scar tissue at the top of the vagina, a loss of vaginal elasticity, loss of uterine orgasm, and diminished or lost physical sensation in the vagina and external genitalia to result in a sexual experience that is as pleasurable after the surgery as it was before the operation.
The reason that this information must be provided to women is that the functions of the female sex organs aren’t visible the way that the functions of the male sex organs are visible. In other words, the functions of the female organs aren’t self-evident the way that the functions of the male organs are self-evident. In telling women information about the uterus that is unsupported by anatomical fact, not only is Gundersen not informing women of the information that they need in order to make an informed decision, women are potentially misinformed. Gundersen has supplied a patient education lesson that omits the very information that women need to decide what they and will not allow to be done to their bodies.
In the section titled “Procedure” Gundersen goes on to tell patients, “The aim of the surgery is to take the uterus out. Sometimes the surgeon may decide to also take one or both ovaries out along with the fallopian tubes.” The message here is that clearly the doctor’s “aim” may also be to remove the female gonads as well. And if you acknowledge that you have completed the X-Plain tutorial, then in a court of law it can be demonstrated that you were informed that the surgeon may also castrate you without further discussion.
Gundersen fails to use clearly understood and informative language. The medically correct word for removal of the ovaries (the female gonads) is castration. The National Institutes of Health reports that about 75% of hysterectomized women are castrated at the time of the surgery, although the incidence of cancer in the ovaries and the testicles is nearly identical, at only .01% of the population. Gundersen then reinforces the fact that the doctor may decide to remove your ovaries when they say, “After the pelvis is entered, the uterus is taken out. The surgeon may also decide to take out the ovaries and fallopian tubes.” In other words, let the reader beware—you have now been informed. Without any further discussion, the surgeon (not you) “may also decide” to castrate you, and if you acknowledge watching this tutorial then you have consented to castration even if the doctor, nurse, and anesthesiologist verbally tell you that they won’t.
In the section titled “Risks and Complications” patients are told, “This procedure is very safe. There are however, several possible risks and complications. These are very unlikely, but possible. You need to know about them just in case they happen.” Again, these are strange and potentially damaging statements. While we always appreciate simple language that is easily understood, much of X-Plain’s language is vague, imprecise, and not supported by anatomical fact. It either doesn’t mean what it says, or it doesn’t say what it means. According to S. S. Meltomaa et al in their study “Incidence, risk factors and outcome of infection in a 1-year hysterectomy cohort: a prospective follow-up study,” which has been widely published since 2000 in the Journal of Hospital Infection and in the Journal of the American Association of Gynecologic Laparoscopists to name a few, “Infection is a common complication of abdominal and vaginal hysterectomy and may lead to prolonged hospital stay.” In the study, 19.2% of hysterectomy patients (one out of five) developed hospital-acquired infections.
One of the things that makes this hysterectomy “lesson” so potentially damaging is the fact that women who take part in it are periodically required to answer true/false or yes/no questions. If you don’t answer right away, a voice insists, “Please answer the question.” In order for you to proceed through the tutorial, you must provide the required answer, or the software program won’t advance the screen forward to the next section. If you answer incorrectly, you’ll be asked the question again and again until you get it “right.” This would all be well and good if their answers were correct and supported by anatomical fact…but some are not.
For example, X-Plain asks patients to answer the question, “Are heart attacks and other anesthesia related complications common during and after this operation?” The correct response to this question would be “yes,” because hysterectomized women have a three times greater incidence of myocardial infarction than non-hysterectomized women, and if their ovaries are also removed women have a seven times greater incidence of myocardial infarction. And precise estimates of anesthesia complications are difficult to come by, but about 1/10 women experience minor complications like bruising and headache; about 1/1,000 experience much more severe complications like lung infection or damage to the teeth, lips, or tongue; and about 1/10,000 will experience very severe complications ranging from impaired vision to death. But in order for patients to proceed through the tutorial they must give the “no” answer to this question. After patients answer the question falsely, that false answer is then reinforced by a pop-up dialogue box that repeats the false information. In a court of law, the fact that you have proceeded through the tutorial means that you must’ve answered their question as required, which could be construed as agreement. Documentation of your responses could then become the hospital’s protection to “counter any claims” that you might bring against them.
Next Gundersen asks patients, “Are infections very common after surgery?” As we have demonstrated and medical literature has made quite clear, the correct answer is “yes.” Infections are indeed common after surgery. But again, the patient must answer “no” in order to continue, thereby requiring women to agree with a false statement.
After repeatedly requiring patients to either end the tutorial or answer some of their confusing questions wrongly, Gundersen continues with more information that is unsupported by anatomical fact. They say, “Rarely, structures in the pelvis and abdomen can be injured during the surgery… It is very rare for the tubes connecting the kidneys to the bladder as well as the bladder itself to be injured.” Again, this is untrue. In a report presented at the American Urogynecologic Society / Society of Gynecologic Surgeons Joint Scientific Meeting, Barak Vakili, MD said, “The overall incidence of intraoperative injury is 5.1%, with the risk increased when patients undergo concomitant surgery for prolapse or incontinence.” With damage to the urinary tract occurring in more than one out of every 20 women undergoing hysterectomy, it’s not a rare occurrence. In fact it’s quite common. It occurs more than 31,000 times each year during hysterectomies performed in this country. In a more recent study published in the October 27, 2007 issue of The Lancet, Dr. Daniel Altman et al said that hysterectomized women “had a more than doubled risk increase for subsequent stress-urinary-incontinence surgery.”
Gundersen then goes on to say, “In extremely rare situations, the intestines and the blood vessels could also be affected, necessitating another operation.” Information that is supposed to inform women about the consequences of a major operation should be very clear, but this statement is too unclear to understand what it is that they’re trying to say. Are they referring to the blood vessels of the intestines? If so, then yes, it would be very damaging to lose blood supply to the intestines, which is rare. But if they’re referring to the rich blood supply attached to the uterus, those blood vessels are always permanently damaged during hysterectomy because the blood supply to the uterus that radiates throughout the pelvis must be severed to remove the uterus. Severing this vascular supply affects the flow of blood to distant organs and limbs, including the intestines. If X-Plain is discussing the vessels of the intestines, then the fact that they neglect to discuss the vessels of the uterus (the organ that is removed during hysterectomy, which is the topic of this lesson) is a blatant omission.
“Similarly,” Gundersen claims, “in extremely rare situations, small nerves in the pelvis may be injured resulting in decreased sensation in the sexual organs. Rarely, this can lead to sexual dysfunction.” What sex organs are they referring to? The ones that were removed? This is potentially a very damaging statement because, in fact, all of the nerves that attach to the uterus must be severed to remove it. Those nerves radiate throughout the pelvis, and supply enervation (feeling) to the nipples, clitoris, vagina, and elsewhere. But they obviously no longer serve that function after they’ve been severed to remove the uterus. What Gundersen refers to as “extremely rare” actually occurs in every hysterectomy. The uterus can’t be removed without severing those nerves, and they can’t be reattached. Furthermore, uterine orgasm can’t occur without a uterus. So, in fact, some or all of a woman’s sexual function is permanently lost, resulting in “sexual dysfunction” in every hysterectomized woman.
And now Gundersen’s patients are apparently ready for another quiz: True or false? “After a hysterectomy sexual pleasure is decreased.” Clearly, the correct answer is “true.” But once again, in order to proceed women must provide the false, incorrect answer that is unsupported by anatomical fact. And when patients provide the false answer, Gundersen reinforces that false statement by telling patients, “Correct. Women whose conditions caused pain during sexual intercourse, report a more enjoyable intercourse.” As we have said, most women don’t consider shortening the vagina, a loss of vaginal elasticity, loss of uterine orgasm, and diminished or lost physical sensation in the vagina and external genitalia to result in a sexual experience that is as pleasurable after the surgery as it was before the operation.
Later, women are asked another true/false question. “One of the side effects of a hysterectomy is weight gain.” True or false? The fact is, women who contact the HERS Foundation report that although their diet and exercise remain the same, on average they experience weight gain of 25 pounds or more in the first year after surgery. But Gundersen patients are required once again to answer this question falsely if they want to continue with the lesson.
In the section “After the Surgery” patients are told, “You can resume your sexual activities within six weeks. This operation will not change your sexual lifestyle or sensations.” Let’s be very clear here: The only way that the removal of sex organs won’t change your sexual lifestyle or sensations is if you never experienced them to begin with. In fact, it will always change your sexual lifestyle and sensations, because it will eliminate the possibility of uterine orgasm and some or all of your sexual feeling forever.
Gundersen’s hysterectomy lesson continues by saying, “Most likely, the operation will free you from the chronic pain caused by the uterine problem.” Once again, Gundersen and the makers of X-Plain appear to be unfamiliar with medical research and anatomical fact. Thomas Stovall, MD et al said in the journal Obstetrics & Gynecology, “Despite preoperative history and physical findings suggesting and histologic findings confirming uterine disease, nearly a quarter of the patients have persistent pelvic pain after hysterectomy for chronic pelvic pain. These findings should have a significant impact on the therapeutic choices recommended by gynecologists and may alter the informed consent that patients give in such cases.” Based on what women report to HERS, chronic pain is much more common after hysterectomy than even this report suggests.
In conclusion, Gundersen tells patients, “Hysterectomy is a very safe and successful operation. It can be a positive solution for many serious conditions affecting female reproductive organs and causing pain and bleeding.” And with that, Gundersen completes its tutorial on hysterectomy without addressing the well-documented consequences of this life-altering surgery. In fact, Gundersen might have mentioned, hysterectomy is widely considered to be the most over-utilized and medically unwarranted surgery in America. It is rarely used to treat actual medical problems that have no conservative treatment options, and the vast majority of hysterectomies are recommended and performed for benign conditions.
The mortality rate for hysterectomy is approximately nineteen out of every ten thousand women. In the last decade there were an average of 621,000 hysterectomies performed each year in this country, so about 3.25 women continue to die every day of every year in hysterectomy operating rooms or in the immediate post-operative period…almost 1,200 women each year. But the damage caused by removing the uterus and severing the nerves, blood supply, and ligaments that attach to it occurs in all women who undergo hysterectomy.
Hysterectomy represents more than $17B/year in revenue to America’s hospitals. Its aftermath is well-documented and available on the HERS Foundation website. Be your own judge, but what does “relatively safe” mean? It isn’t ever “relatively safe” for the woman whose body is cut into and whose sex organs are removed.
As a patient education tool, it would be far more informative and precise for Gundersen to say that hysterectomy is a dangerous operation that causes serious, permanent anatomical and physiological destruction and life altering changes. The surgery itself causes permanent pain, permanent sexual loss, and a host of medical problems that women who remain intact don’t experience.
Let the reader beware. Before you make any decision about female surgery watch the 12-minute video “Female Anatomy: the Functions of the Female Organs” at www.hersfoundation.org/anatomy.
Email HERS at hersfdn@earthlink.net if you know of a doctor, medical school, or hospital website that you think should be highlighted on this blog. If you would like to talk with women about the consequences of hysterectomy, HERS provides a network of women who will talk with you about their experiences.
If you have undergone a hysterectomy at Gundersen or their affiliated hospitals after relying on information from X-Plain, contact HERS at hersfdn@earthlink.net.
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296 Comments:
Let me be the first to post on this sight. I am one of Gundersen Clinic and Dr. Jerome Gundersen's victim. After watching their hysterectomy video, no wonder I was easily talked into this very damaging and profitable surgery. Removing your ovaries is castration as is removing a man's testicles. Lets get that straight! You will be hearing from women all over the world about the false information Gundersen Clinic is giving women. AND, who gives the doctor the right to just take whatever he wants to like while he is in there lets take a ovary or two and then why not the fallopian tubes and maybe add a cervic. LETS JUST CLEAN HOUSE! It always lead to sexual dysfunction. They just took out your sexual organs. HELLO! Lets hear it from the women who now enjoys intercourse. Lets castrate the doctors to see if it leads to sexual dysfunction! Life will never be the same after the operation. Most women will gain weight after their hysterectomy/castration. Most of us never go back to work full time and a lot of women are diabled from their surgery and can never return to their jobs. It is a successful operation in whose eyes, the doctors who are making billions of dollars a year. WOW, we gave up our periods for dozens of other symptoms. I would like to thank the Hers Foundation for all their help through the years when it was so difficult to go on, when all you heard from the doctors in LaCrosse, Wisconsin; it is all in your head and you are the first one that I have heard complain. WELL, let me tell you, this site will be full of these women that you have told it is all in your head. After years of seaching and searching I came across the Hers Foundation in a magazine and called them and started getting answers as to why I was feeling so poorly. My life will never be what it was before my surgery, but I can help other women and help get a law passed that would require doctors to give every women the DVD 'female anatomy', who are precribed a hysterectomy/castration. Let the woman make the decision, not her doctor. OH, I love it when you have to answer the questions their way or no way. Believe me I will be writing more and it will be how my life as I knew and wanted it ended on June of 1988 at the hands of Dr. Jerome Gundersen because I wasn't informed or given the necessary information for me to make the right decision. I would like to see a OBGYN from Gundersen Clinic post here and tell me under what circumstances, other than cancer would the benefits outweigh the risk?
Mattie said...
I was given an unnecessary hysterectomy-sex organ removal, almost seventeen months ago, removing my, Uterus, Cervix and one Ovary, with the incorrect information I was given.
I am in shambles now and trying to find answers the OB/GYN doctors are not giving me about why I do not feel like myself now.
I read yesterday on this blog a comment made about, Oxytocin.
Another hormone the doctors withheld from me to trick me into this life altering surgery. Along with, estrogen, testosterone and progesterone and their effect on the human brain and bodily function. Apparently there are even more hormones your body needs to function properly, that are not mentioned before they gut you. They do not tell you your ovaries function your entire lifetime, why?
Why does age matter when a women's ovaries function her entire lifetime.
Why aren't the doctors telling the truth, it is embarrassing for them at this point, all of them.
I can no longer have a uterine orgasm which these doctors also withheld from me saying, "sex will be as good or better after hysterectomy." If sex is better after your sex organ is amputated notify, Rome, it is a miricle.
Look up the definition of, Oxytocin, it is released when a human being has an orgasm. Please look up the definition of, Oxytocin, on your computer now, wheather you are a physician or not.
The hormone, Oxytocin, is the hormone of love and bonding and I think we need this hormone to be happy. Oh, that doesn't matter to you, doctor death of my sexuality, health, wellbeing and happiness, does it.
I have now learned that removing the ovaries in rats, shortens their brain stem. I have learned that a rat will ignore it's pups after their ovaries are removed.
What are you doctors doing?, you are idiots to think you will get away with this much longer, this is a disgrace to the entire medical industry and makes a mockery of you.
I am not a doctor of medicine, a healer?.
I am a woman who is so physically damaged by my entire body and mind being altered that I am at times suicidal I am in so much pain and distress.
I would like to start by saying it isn't easy talking about your personal life to everyone around the world, but if I don't speak up and inform other women then I am no better than these doctors who are not informing us about the after-effects of a hysterectomy/castration(removal of ovaries). I was a very energetic person and always did things at full speed, never complained and worked very hard. I had dreams and I was fulfilling them one at a time. One of my dreams since I was a little girl was opening up my own salon. I went to cosmetology school and had two small boys and maintained a 4.0. Then I became a victim of Gundersen Clinic in LaCrosse, Wisconsin, in June of 1988.
To back up just a little, in August of 1987, I was given a DNC (this can also be another unnecessary surgery). I ONLY went in for hot flashes (which by the way continued after my surgery). In September of 1987, Dr. Jerome Gundersen told me I had tumors (in my report it said fibroids) and it could turn into cancer. In October of 1987, I was to take 4 pills .635of Premarin (horse urine I found out) daily. 10 mg. of DepoProvera was also added. I was beginning to bleed heavier. I was told by Dr. Gundersen each time I visited him wouldn't it be good to get rid of the bleeding. I was also given a shot of DepoProvera. It is now May of 1988. Dr. Gundersen said my uterus was enlarged and an abdominal hysterectomy should be done. (in the rport he wrote the uterus wasn't enlarged). I did question him about taking my ovaries and he recommended taking them. He said I didn't need the ovaries or uterus because I wasn't going to have anymore children. I believed him. He lied. I asked him if he could just take the tumor and he said we don't do that. (at my trial he said OH,YES, we can just take the tumor). He lied again. I even went to a doctor who I had known in high school and he didn't warn me about this surgery. I told Dr. Gundersen that I wanted a bikini cut and he said he didn't want to do this and I then told him I didn't want the surgery. If that is what you want I will do it he said. (God, how I wished I would have walked out of his office that day). In my reports he said patient is VERY HEALTHY. (not for long)
It was June 17, 1988, my life as I knew it would never be again because he took that from me that day! The hormonal damage to my body was extreme and was not discussed beforehand with honesty. I was told I would feel better than ever. The brochure and movie he gave me to watched stated that everything would remain the same including sex. I was in the hospital 6 days because of nausea, fainting, shaking, no energy and terrible numbness in my hands. In fact, I wasn't able to move my hands and fingers. I was not feeling good and my family knew it. They even stated that they must have done something wrong with the surgery. (YUP, they just castrated me and stripped me of all my hormones and I didn't even know it yet). My family watched me suffer as I went from a healthy, energetic, loving person to a disabled human being.
One month later I went to emergency because I couldn't catch my breath. They sent me home saying it was all in my head. I again went to emergency later that day and they wanted to send me home again. I insisted I wasn't going home. I told them I wanted a specialist so Dr. Lindesmith came and looked at me and immediately rushed me to x-ray. Massive blood clots on my lungs. Yes, I would have died if I had gone home. I was in the hospital 10 days. Dr. Lindesmith saved my life. For the next two years, I went from department to department and doctor to doctor trying to find out what was going on. You know you are sick, but you keep hearing it is all in your head when you know it isn't. Everything took place with me immediately following my surgery. (I now know it all comes from taking the ovaries and uterus-all produces hormones that are needed the rest of a woman's life). BEFORE my surgery, most of my reports stated a healthy woman, AFTER my surgery and over just two years I had been in these departments on Gundersen Clinic; Pulmonary, Internal Medicine, Nephrology, Gastroenterology, Hematology, Hormonal, Endocinology, Neurology, General, Rheumatology and Emergency Medicine. So the money doesn't stop after the hysterectomy/castration. Money is being made from a hysterectomized and castrated woman. When I returned to see Dr. Gundersen and complained to him that I wasn't feeling good he said do what I tell you or go somewhere else. I left and never returned. His suggestion was to see a psychiatric doctor. I felt so alone that day. I remember crying all the way to the car. He did this to me and all he could say was it is all in your head and you are the first one to complain. Well, lets see what his life would be like if we castrated him!
My reports read maybe I am suffering from depression and lets get her on Prozac. Right away they want to send you to see a psychologist or psychiatrist. We must be crazy and it just doesn't have anything to do with the surgery. In August of 1988, records indicates that patient is sorry she had the surgery. In October of 1988, patient is very frustrated and angry as a result of her surgery and has been calling doctors around the country to get some answers. She is very distraught and at her wit's end. One doctor wrote I think a lot of this patient's symptoms are related to estrogen deprivation from her oophorectomy (YOU THINK) and menopausal syndrome occured after abdominal surgery.
During this time I was cutting back on my hours as a hair stylist from 6 days to 4 days to 2 days then quitting, then returning to 2 days, 1 day and then quitting again. I just wasn't able to keep up with the work I loved so much. I didn't want to give up hair styling, but i had to at least for awhile. Remember, this was my dream to open my own salon up. After 5 years in the business I was ready to do this when Dr. Jerome Gundersen took that dream from me! My records indicated after my surgery; extreme fatigue, decreased libido, nauseous, bone and joint pain, headaches and hot flashes and now because of the surgery severe osteoporosis. Dr. Jerome Gundersen took out my sexual hormone producing organs; the uterus and ovaries and while he was in there decided to take my cervix. LETS JUST CLEAN HOUSE! Every doctor that I had seen wrote in their report that since her surgery she has numerous complaints. HAS THIS SURGERY CHANGED YOUR LIFE?
Losing Myself
I have lost myself… But who am I?
I have lost myself… Where am I?
I have lost myself… Can’t find my way home –
It started before I started you and you and you.
So the blame can only be put held on me… Is that true?
Now what do I do? Who will help?
-I need a fix...-
The disks of destiny are gone,
The snow has melted,
So I look to the crystals for more self destruction...
A hazy daze is all I can remember,
No feeling of “BEING” to remember, of
A time that was peaceful, a time of Complete Surrender...
How will I find myself, in a blur of Truth and Lies?
Some I have told, just to complete my Demise...
I have a feeling with confidence that at one time I knew who she was.
Now I feel as if I should change my name just because…
I don’t want to drag her though my pain, the resentment is very real,
What a shame...
I have lost myself…
In that room, where for a fee, he Cut her out of me.
She was whole still able to give life to another soul.
To feel the warmth the love the total piece of knowing She
would love me. Because I was ME!
He would have given her unconditional love, and show her she could rise above…
But she will never know, get to try, as two years ago she died….
I woke up one day everything was distant
I knew where I was, but it was different…
Nothing smelt the same, not even food
I felt no pain only empty and insane….
My eyes looked in the mirror, my body was Her……..
I was absolutely sure!
But look into my eyes
And u can see that it is NOT Me….
sTiLL lOSt iN Az,
RiCa
My heart is heavy as I write on this blog today, Wednesday January 23, 2008. I have attended 2 HERS conferences with my sister Gracie. I have been through it with her, she is an amazing women to me, to help educate my body which I should know because I am a women. I did not know my own anatomy and that saddens me. I am a women, why didn't I know my own body. I was never educated in the right way.
Thanks to Gracie and the HERS Foundation for educating me in the right way so that I never have this horrifying surgery. Every women that I know will get this information so they can be saved from these doctors who think they know so much about our female bodies. GET EDUCATED DOCTORS!!
SHAME on you Gundersen Lutheran for doing this awful life altering surgery on so many women.
I have two daughters and a granddaughter, who also will be saved because of all the knowledge that I now have. I now have the power that I need to save women when they call me and ask where should I go so I can be saved and not just be another number to a doctor.
My heart goes out to all women but especially the young women who are only 21 and 27 and can't have children, because they were not informed!! You all need to attend the next HERS Conference, it will amazing what you will learn about your body. Go to a clinic/hospital where doctors don't do this surgery. They do exist. PLEASE GET INFORMED! Go online this minute.
DOCTORS BEWARE!!!!
Mattie said...
These doctors who do this to women are taking far too much pleasure in watching them suffer after they damage them.
I would like to see a doctor of psychology write on this blog. Write about what makes doctors in force, be able to harm millions of women, so heinously, and walk away smiling.
WAY TO GO HERS! My wife had her hysterectomy/castration done at Gundersen Clinic in LaCrosse, Wisconsin. She was very energetic before her surgery. She was always on the go and could outwork any man. She always wanted to do everything perfect. If you even mentioned getting something done, it was done. After her surgery, she would become extremely fatigue and get stressed out very easily. She wasn't able to do what she had done before. It was just so hard for her to make it through the day without being sick. You would never see her lay down before her surgery. I actually believe she could have worked the clock around. I always told her I sure wouldn't want you for a boss. You would work the pants off of someone. She was a very determined person who wanted to open a business up but just was never able to. I felt so sorry for her seeing her this way. I just would like to say not only do the doctors take the woman's life away, they also take the man's life around because he no longer has the wife he married. I also say shame on you for doing this to women. We were married for 30 years, but are now divorced. This makes me sad to see so many women going through this. I sure wouldn't want a doctor castrating me but they seem to get by with castrating women.
i was 22 when i had my histerectomy,i was never informed of the consequences of post surgery.of all the symptom's i read above,i have been in shock to find out that all of the symptom's i read about in your blog.please help make me informed.i am now almost 35 and thought i was going insane.i am really relieved to find out that most of my symptoms are related to the total hysterectomy that i had over 10 years ago.once again let me thank you for what you are doing.
Please help me. I am 27 and almost a year ago I had a full hysterectomy. I have a lot of problems now that I never had before. I find that I am completely lost concerning everything that has gone on and as to what to do now. Before I found this I felt I had no one to talk to that understands or has the knowledge to help me make informed decisions. All the way around I am terrified and extremely depressed. Please help.
I was told I needed a hysterectomy at age 31, then the following year found out it was not needed. I was in my first trimester of pegnancy and my doc never even told me that.
Anyway, about 3 years later I feel I went through menopause. MOODY emotional, vaginal dryness, many things. I never took any hormone replacement therapy, because I still had an ovary.
Here is my question, I gained almost 50 lbs within about the next 2 years. When I went to another doctor he told me the surgery had nothing to do with the weight gain, so I have thought it was just me. Now 11 years since the surgery my moods swings and several other side affects have mellowed out. But what should I ask a doctor to check as far as the fact that my weight is such a huge struggle and it wasn't prior to the surgery.
Recently I read that they removed the uterus and ovaries of monkeys and they showed increase weight gain, therefore I feel that the hysterectomy did start this. Any insight would be very helpful. Has anyone else had this problem of weight gain? And not being able to lose it?
These hospitals should be sued for false advertising at the very least. Criminal prosecution would be more appropriate.
Dear Cathy, I would suggest every woman who was given an unnecessary hysterectomy/castration (that would be about 99% of us) sue the clinic and hospital for butchering us. This is a criminal act! They must be held responsible for their actions! You have every right to sue your doctor, but make sure most of the jurors don't work for the clinic and make sure the judge doesn't play golf with the doctor you are suing. My lawyer asked the doctor did you know removing the ovaries was castration. His reply was they only castrate animals. To Dr. Jerome Gundersen I was just another animal along with all the thousands of women he castrated over the years. How can he live with himself taking healthy hormone producing sexual organs out of a healthy woman? Would he castrate thousands of men? Would he like to be castrated? Did he remove testicles from men having a polyp on their penis? If he would had given me the information available on the Hers blog, I never would have let him do this to me. I feel betrayed by Dr. Jerome Gundersen, Gundersen Clinic, Judge Montabon and the Court System, The Medical and Pharmaceutical Industries, The Insurance Companies for paying for these unnecessary surgeries and our Senators for not taking action and passing a law to outlaw this barbaric and abusive act on women. They are all well aware of what is taking place. They are letting doctors get by with butchering and mutilating women! They may have won the battle, but they didn't take away my spirit to help our next generation of girls. Why are women going to OBGYN for check-ups? They are surgeons who make most of their money by performing hysterectomies/castrations.
To the young woman who posted that she is 27 and had the surgery a year ago. Wow I swear this is almost exactly what my e-mail to her was when i found them 9 months ago. My name is Rica and I had my surgery right before my 27 th bday. Please contact hers (nora) she will give you my contact information, maybe I can listen.... And maybe you can to... thank you.
Rica
thank you rica…why???? why are they doing
this???? how can they get away with this???? I’m so afraid for my daughter…I had a full hyster. with ovaries removed when I was 30 two years ago and I stopped my hrt months after surgery because of weight gain and depression---now I am fighting hot flashes and mood swings terribily!!!!!! depression is still here----will anything help me with these things???? I have other things going on to---loss of sexual desire and always tired very tired...help!!!!
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The readers of this blog might be interested to know that a Gundersen Lutheran representative has emailed HERS a reply to this Post:
Subject: X-Plain
Gundersen Lutheran and many other healthcare entities subscribe to this service, including MedLine Plus, one of the most widely used and respected online medical information services available today. X-Plain has met the rigorous standards of the National Library of Medicine. If you have concerns with the wording of the content regarding hysterectomy, you should
take this up directly with the company that produces the X-Plain content. We are not able to change or customize it since it is their material, not ours.
Charlotte C. Grant, Patient Education Content Specialist
Health Science Library
Gundersen Lutheran Health System
In response to Charlotte C. Grant, Gundersen "Patient Education Content Specialist" Health Science Library:
Ms. Grant: There is no doubt that it meets the rigorous standards that mislead and deceive women which allow doctors to perform unnecessary surgeries for profit. While you may not be able to edit the content, I'm sure that you are intelligent enough to understand that X-Plain can be removed from your advertising website. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that if you are using a product that is inaccurate, misleading and deceitful, that it should be removed from your website and replaced with accurate information which the HERS Foundation has provided. Would it cut too deeply in the hosptial's profits to tell the truth?
Ms. Grant, I agree with Cathy. REMOVE IT! Is that so hard to do. We aren't even allowed to answer the questions ourself. If we don't answer the questions the way your medical center wants us to, we can't go to the next question. The statements are not true and very misleading. It is on your web site so I know you can remove it, BUT WHY WOULD YOU. It glorifies hysterectomies and that brings in the money. I had one after watching that, WOW, I was told everything would be the same and even better!! AND, by the way Ms. Grant the correct term for removing ovaries is castration. What does Gundersen call removing testicles?
I agree that they should remove that movie from Gundersen Blog sight. I watched it and it makes having a hysterectomy in one day and out the next and life goes on la la la! I read the 160 some women who wrote on the University of Pittsburg Medical Center blog sight and they can't be all lying and now reading what these women and men are saying I know they aren't all lying. Why would you show a movie that actually encouraging you to have this surgery and then say they can't remove it, just doesn't make sense to me. You can remove anything, but I don't think they want to because it brings in the big bucks! According to these ladies there are no benefits, only a lifetime of hell. I will go on now and sign the petition to pass a law to get these doctors to shape up. Why are they afraid to give your DVD to women? Why are they afraid to remove the movie? Why are they doing this? I have so many questions but I know I won't get the correct answers from any OBGYN doctors because I am beginning to think they all know what is going on or they don't know anything that is going on and that is scary, very scary.
Mattie said...
Please explain why explain is spelled x-plain?
Even the title of this lesson is (false).
It sounds more like x-plan to me.
The covert actions of a medical society gone mad with greed in the 20th century.
Explain away....Doctors, Lawyers, Medical Society, Insurance Industry.
Out Loud, we can't hear you!
Charlotte, do you still have your sex organs? I'd like to X-Plain something to you. I can tell you for a fact that hysterectomy and castration affect your sexual response. I've never been one to talk about my sex-life publicly but what has been done to me is so devastating and barbaric that I feel other women need to know the truth. All of my life I was able to have intense multiple orgasms from clitoral stimulation. I could easily have 3-4, and often 6-7 orgasms in a row. It was a source of intense pleasure and enjoyment, closeness with my husband, and even meditation. My clitoris and the area around it was very sensitive and I could achieve an orgasm from many different areas around it. The sensation would radiate from my clitoris, through my vagina, up through my abdomen to my breasts very intensely and consume my whole body. It was an incredible source of pleasure! After being hysterectomized and castrated, I can only achieve one orgasm at most. I only have a small sensation on one side of my clitoris. If I reach an orgasm, the intensity has decreased 70%, and the length of the orgasm is about 1/10 of what it used to be. It's also very unpleasant to have sharp pains in my vagina when I try to achieve an orgasm. The only sensation I can get is in the area of my clitoris, because it no longer radiates through my body. The sensation stops at the point where the doctor cut me. A doctor amputated my ovaries, fallopian tubes, uterus and cervix because I had a benign ovarian cyst. He took it upon himself to amputate all my sex organs, against my wishes, against my will and without my consent. When I read websites like yours that say “The aim of the surgery is to take the uterus out. Sometimes the surgeon may decide to also take one or both ovaries out along with the fallopian tubes", I am horrified. The aim of my doctor was to amputate all my sex organs and shorten my vagina for absolutely no medical benefit to me. It was not up to him, but since he had me under anesthesia, I could not protect myself. My uterus was normal and healthy, and I just needed an ovarian cyst removed, but websites like yours promote and enable doctors to completely amputate all of a woman's healthy organs. It is hideous, criminal and barbaric. I would be willing to bet that if you had this done to you, that you would not be so quick to pass the buck.
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I can understand the frustration of any man who is trying to understand what has happened to his wife or girlfriend. As I've posted before my wife and I no longer have a sex life together, the eventual end result of hysterectomy. Research has shown that no matter how careful the surgeon is in leaving the ovaries possible nerve damage can result in partial or complete lack of ovarian function.(female castration) This becomes EXTREMELY stressful in any marriage. It was asked recently in a post about divorce after hysterectomy. If these stats were known and I would bet they are high this would also send a signal. No woman or man with healthy sex drives and good intimate relationships would want that destroyed because someone did not caution them of this high risk. The stats indicate that a less than 30 percent chance of normal sexual function will return after hysterectomy. While there are some needed surgeries MOST are unnecessary. I read recently in a book about christian's marital behavior and was shocked to learn that some church counselers try to teach celebacy to married couples because of lopsided sexual needs. Maybe this is someones sick answer to concerns from the husband/ victim of his wifes castration for no reason. Now that I am an informed husband(to late for me)I will speak out to save others from profiteering hospitals and doctors. To stay healthy one must be vigilant and wary of mainstream healthcare providers.
The readers of this blog might be interested in HERS response to a Gundersen Lutheran representative who has emailed HERS. To read Gundersen's representative's email scroll up to HERS Comment on January 24 at 12:10p.m.
HERS response:
TO: Charlotte C. Grant, Patient Education Content Specialist
RE: Gundersen’s “Interactive Patient Education” module “Hysterectomy”
Did you research what X-Plain’s “Hysterectomy” module says and what it means? What kind of empirical research did you do before putting it on Gundersen’s website? What is the basis for promoting this material? What physicians or experts in the field, textbooks, or peer reviewed journals or periodicals did you review and rely on? What is your academic background?
Nora W. Coffey, President
HERS Foundation
422 Bryn Mawr Avenue
Bala Cynwyd, PA 19004
USA
610.667.7757
888.750.HERS
www.hersfoundation.org
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I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT AFTER HAVING A HISTERECTOMY. HOW LONG DO YOU WAIT TO EXERCISE ? BECAUSE I STARTED 2 MONTHS AFTER HAVING IT DONE , IT MAKES ME HURT AND MAKES MY BELLY LOOK LIKE I'M 7MONTHS PREGNANT.AND IS IT NORMAL TO FILL LIKE SOMETHING CRAWLING UNDER YOUR SKIN? AND FOR MY FEET HURTING WHAT CAN I DO FOR THEM? HAS ANYONE ELSE HAD MY PROBLEMS? WILL I ALWAYS FEEL THIS WAY? WILL IT GET BETTER?
Just the fact that you care gives me hope. To go from a healthy, hard working woman who built a career and I had my own business to being sick, disabled and now I can't work and it has been devastating to say the least.
I am 43 years old and live in GA. I underwent a total hysterectomy in December of 2005 for fibroids and heavy bleeding. During a vaginal hysterectomy my gynecologist stitched the top of my vagina to my bowel which created an opening in my bowel, a fistula, causing stool to be passed through my vagina.
I told the gynecologist I did not feel well and that I had a black discharge and bad odor coming from my vagina. My doctor said this was normal, I shouldn’t worry about it. Finally I insisted he examine me because I believed, and I told the doctor, I thought the discharge was stool. Finally the problem was found and another abdominal surgery was performed. It has been more than two years and I am still not functioning very well. Two months after the second surgery I had to stop working because I was too sick to walk or sit. I feel like I might always be this way now.
I want to know how any doctor can do this and sleep at night? I wonder if he has nightmares like I do? I wonder if he has a daughter and how he would feel if someone did this to her? I’m someone’s daughter. I’m somone’s wife. I’m someone’s mother. But he took all of our lives away because now I’m not me.
Thank you for caring.
Unfortunately I didn't find you soon enough and have had an hysterectomy and oophectomy in 2000. Am finding it extremely difficult to find someone to understand and acknowledge that the after effects are REAL. My primary care doctor doesn't deal with these issues, my gynocologist obviously thinks it's all in my head and is only willing to dispense HRT (not interested) I have found an alternative dr. who is willing to learn about these issues but not "in the know" to be able to definativly offer solutions....I found out about compounding pharmacies online and am taking NHRT transdermally but no relief of symptoms yet. Drs. who perform hysterectomys are supposed to know about the effects and how to treat those of us they castrate. My doctor emphatically said I would not have any of the "possible side effects" because I was young and otherwise healthy and they were completely overblown. I find that I am experiencing most of the side effects women talk about on here. I begged for years for her to stop telling me I needed a hysterectomy, that I would always seek an alternative, and in the end she finally got me! Woe is me!
I had hysterectomy with one ovary removed 4 years ago. I've noticed most a personality change, extreme fatigue, weight gain, body aches, change in skin tone, lack of initiative. Are there any supplements available or hormones to take that can bring any relief of these symptoms? I want the old me back. Thanks for listening.
Have you heard about the One-Kilo Club organized in 1996. NO DUES are required ONLY a uterus that weighs one Kilo? Go to http://www.onekiloclub.org/. "Oh, Lion, clamp gently. Pull the womb respectfully out. IT HAD glorious days. Remember, You floated in its warm water, in its heavenly calm chamber and grew on its soft bed of blood and silences and on and on." Find out if your doctor is a member of this elite club. If this doesn't make you sick, nothing will!!!
YOU GOTTA LOVE THE MALE ENHANCEMENT COMMERCIALS, DON'T YOU? WHERE ARE THE FEMALE ENHANCEMENT COMMERCIALS? Gotta keep the men happy. They aren't the ones who are castrated. God forbid, this would be barbaric!! Doctors do whatever they can to save their gonads, but lets ripe out the female gonads. Where is the justice here? Can someone tell me? What would a home be without a woman? Doctors are not giving us a chance to be a vibrant and vivacious wife, mother or a sister when they strip us of our hormone producing sex organs. Please watch the female anatomy DVD and also there are drawings of the female anatomy. Take a look at them. Guess what happens when they take the organs? OOPS, no more nerves running anywhere just tied in bundles. no more hormones for our health and well-being and also a big space where all your other organs can OOPS fall down. I was amazed to see this. Why don't they hand this out to women instead of watching their movie or looking at their brochures that have untrue statements. BUT, the less we know the better they like it. Once we become FULLY informed, there wouldn't be as many surgeries, only about 1%, NOT 99%.
Hi, i had a hysterectomy in July 2001. i was 21 years old and i was looking over your adverse effects on HERS and i am able to relate to 99% of the symptoms that you have listed there i have an abnormal heart beat short term memory loss and alot others listed there.the reason i am here i was wanting to know how i can help other women not make the same BAD choice that i had no choice to make i will do anything i can to help other women because i dont feel like a whole woman anymore and i dont want to see other woman have to go through this if they dont have to thank you so much for what your doing
I had a hystorectomy uterus, 1 ovary, both tubes, cervic removed, I have had severe symptons. Can you tell if they are common? I have very severe pain in my side, groin area. Wakes me up at night, affects my excercise, physical therapy did not help and my obgyn does not acknowledge the problem. It started about 2 weeks post op. Anyone else have this problem? What kind of doctor do I need? Thank you, I hope someone can help me.
Quote taken from
One-Kilo club
about a woman's uterus.
"It might be a kilo, as good as gold and diamonds"
that says it all!
OB/GYN doctors are thieves who perpetuate lies and deceit for profit, legally by de-sexing women.
Stop them now, sign the petition at, herfoundation.
To the woman who was asking, "Will I always feel this way and will I get better?" Probably not, but you will learn to live with it. Another woman asked how she could help. By informing other women to go to Hersfoundation, watch the DVD 'female anatomy' and sign the petition, writing editorials in the paper, putting Hers Brochures everyplace you can think of and just be a friend to someone else who is going through this. I am on herbal products, any and all, especially Omega 3. Do whatever it takes to deal with the effects of this surgery. I have a supporting family and I thank God for them believing me because I know a lot of family members that don't support the hysterectomized and castrated woman and that must be hard. SHAME ON YOU. There is no looking back on what could have taken place in your life or what kind of person you could have become because the loss is permanent. This surgery might only be the beginning of all your medical problems. Once we have this surgery, we are different and we feel different. Most things we once enjoyed will be too exhausting and emotionally draining to do. This surgery has an impact on a woman's life, her husband, children and other family members and friends. If you are even thinking about having this surgery, listen and read what women who have had this surgery are saying. They are the experts, not the gynecologists. It is very hard to put your life back together after this surgery. One of the things that keeps me motivated is passing a law so no more women have to go through with what we are going through. Take what you are learning and spread the word! I would like to applaud the men for writing on here whether you are husbands or boyfriends. I know your life is also affected and I am so sorry for that.
I had a hysterectomy in October, 2006 for fibroids. In addition to the many symptoms that follow the surgery, my stomach went from relatively flat to distended. I have no stomach muscle strength nor support. When I have mentioned this to my doctor as well as to other doctors, they just look at me like I am insane. I have met with several plastic surgeons and they say the only way to correct my stomach is to have a full tummy tuck. However, they are also very quick to say that there is no relationship with the hysterectomy. But before the surgery I wore clothes to emphasize my nice waistline and now I hide it with overshirts. Anyone else have this problem?
To the woman above who has a distended stomach now.
Yes, it is what happens when they remove our uterus our sex organ.
They take a lifetime of strength, vitality and our stomach muscles and uterine muscle along with it. They don't tell you or acknowledge it has been done to you. It is part of their routine along with acting like you are crazy, this is common after you are tricked. I bet your doctor was all compassionate before the surgery? and not after.
I hurt myself trying to exercise too much, out of frustration.
Very slowly you learn what your limitations are, along with trying to care for the damage a hysterectomy causes for the rest of your life.
HERS Petition handouts at Polling Stations during State, Local, or National elections:
Let us all get our friends, family and neighbors to assist us in handing out the HERS Foundation Petition and any other HERS literature, such as a HERS Flyer or Brochure to all the people standing in the long lines at the polling stations during any Local, State or National Elections.
We may need to stand some distance away from the polling station entrance to do this, I am not sure, however, we will be able to reach so many concerned VOTING citizens in one spot by doing this.
The 'early voting' lines will work just as well, as we reach these voters over several days preceding the election dates.
If necessary, we can collect the HERS Petition signatures (one signature per page?) and send the voter completed/signed Forms back to HERS Foundation for their final approval and submission.
We may need to contact HERS to see how we can obtain a paper copy and/or computer print-out copy of these documents for circulation from the HERS website or sent to our computers.
HERS, how can this be arranged?
I am 36 years old and had my hysterectomy about a year ago. Everything has changed, it seems, in my life. I am more fatigued than I was before (I have fibromyalgia), it seems like I can't do ANYTHING like I used to. Thank you for this blog, I greatly appreciate information all the women and men give!
I already had a hysterectomy back in 2003. I had severe endometriosis. It was a total hysterectomy. I have had pain in my abdomen area every since then. Every doctor tells me it is scarring. Sometime the pain is very bad other times not so bad. Some time I can't even lean against a counter it is so tender. There has been an ongoing problem every since then. Every so often out of the blue I become nauseated, dizzy and I just feel terrible. I go to bed and the next day I am fine. I have always had some abdominal pain. Well in the last year I have been getting a pain in my right waist abdomen area. It feels as though someone has put a very tight pair of pants with elastic around my waist and leaves it there for a while. When it is taken of it is tender and raw feeling. I can't stand to have anything hit that spot. At first it was every so often but in the last several months it is about once a month and last up to 3 weeks. Including this pain I always have a pain in my right lower back. This pain feels like it is were the back sinks in but down deep. The doctors tell me it is muscles. You see the pain is severe but it usually is the worst after I have gone to bed and sleep about 5-6 hrs. It is so bad it wakes me sometimes. After I get up and move around it gets better. During the day there are still shooting pain on both sides but I can deal most of the time.
I have gained 30 lbs since the surgery. Tried many diets and eaten less and still no change. I am a very active person and stay busy most of the time. Is there anything I can do to stop the weight gain? I have no sex drive and was very sexually active before the surgery. I know I really needed it because I had a laparoscopy first and my doctor said the endometriosis was terrible, but I wish he had told me about the consequences.
I am happy to see that Gracie is still working at informing women about the adverse effects of the medical community's idea of 'tender loving care.'
But the problem is much deeper than just hysterectomies. It was this surgery that opened my eyes to the fact that the medical community is not regulated. Without oversight they have open rein to do whatever they want. There are many medical treatments, surgeris etc. that aren't based on medical literature, but simply for finanancial benefit of the physician. It's an unregulated industry that needs oversight.
Plain and simple they are crippling women, men and children with their 'traditions.' I have been watching the political arena. Rest assured, their time is coming. And, the neat thing, too, is that many people particularly in the LaCrosse area, no longer trust the 'good doctor.' A major step in the right direction. Good solid distruct.
Keep chipping away Gracie. I have been all these years too. But, I have expanded my challenge to all their little game plays. Fibromyalgia-a diagnosis of exploitation. Attention deficient disorder-a diagnosis that causes more problems than anything else and puts our children at risk. Over medicating our children with pschotherapauetic drugs. The quakery of cancer treatments and heart care. It goes on and on. Traditional medicine is practically all quakery at a high price. In my opinion, they don't cure a darn thing, they just exploit.
Keep up the good work Gracie. I will do my part. God Bless You and the Hers Foundation for naming the doctors and clinics and holding them responsible for their abusive act on women and their families.
I read Gracie's blog about Gundersen Lutheran. I had a surgery I didn't need at Gundersen Lutheran. It wasn't a hysterectomy, but a surgery that severly damaged my ovaries. I too was lied to. I believed in the integrity of the medical profession and did what they told me to do. I found out later that unnecessary surgeries, treatments and procedures are common practice throughout this county.
My menopausal symptoms were diagnosed as fibromyalgia. This is a waste basket diagnosis to distance people from their true conditions. It is a diagnosis of exploitation. After seven years of suffering and eventually going broke, I started to educate myself. I learned I had a hormonal problem caused by this surgery. I created my own HRT plan that helped me.
I am simply following the normal hormonal flow of women who haven't been damaged. Why couldn't they do this for me? Well, it is much more profitable feigning ignorance and making up mystery diseases and treating the symptoms. I am simply passing some information along that I have learned. Knowledge is power. I had to find out why doctors can misrepresent and legally mug women for money. After my research I realized I was lucky. They didn't kill me!
This is how the system works. First, there isn't any independent oversight of the medical profession. When you walk in the clinic, you are sold on the 'Science of Medicine.' But, walk into a courtroom it quickly becomes the 'Art of Medicine.' And, you will hear all about the 'standard of care.'
The various Colleges of Medicines determine the standards of care. These colleges are not universities or educational colleges. But, basically professional organizations that are made up of practicing physicians, academics, etc. They establish the standards of care. The science of economics plays a big role in determining these standards of care.
In essence, they do not abandon any treatment or procedure until they find another more profitable treatment of procedure to replace it. And, if they can sell the old treatment plan they will and later sell you the current. Whole bodies of knowledge are ignored because the research will dramatically cut into the bottom line of the clinic or physicians. Physicians simply state they don't believe the research. Thereby, they make up their own self serving standards of care.
The deadliest after effects are the silent killers; increased risk of heart disease, strokes, osteoporosis and etc. We are walking gold mines for the medical profession. Most women who have hormonal problems don't have a clue. And, most women don't believe you when you tell them. The doctor knows best. We are distanced from our true conditions by wastebasket diagnosis; fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue syndrome, anxiety disorders, depression and etc. And, then later, we feed the medical community with our chronic ailments that kill us. Worst of all, because we are kept ignorant we CAN'T HELP OURSELVES.
And, now in the USA the medical community is developing more weird syndromes, disorders and etc. to treat the general public. The drug companies are advertising continuously. And, the doctor is there to 'treat' us with these new drug therapies.
No one addresses the true cause of these strange ailments. Because, if you know the cause, you probably can cure the problem. If you don't know, you receive treatments and become a cash cow for the medical community. So, we are distanced from our true conditions, and fed hogwash by the medical community or by anyone who can make a buck off of our misery.
As long as our system is profit driven, science will be ignored and the sick and naive will be exploited. As an interesting note, I found the old economic theory of supply and demand does not work in medicine. The medicine has inverse economics. The more doctors in a community the higher the cost of medicine. They simply increase their costs and perform more unnecessary surgeries, treatments and tests, but they won't 'cure' or appropriately treat the patients. Appropriate treatment is not as profitable. It's all about the bottom line. It is unfettered capitalism at its worse. It is exploitation of the most vulnerable; the sick and frightened. I am a capitalist, however, there has to be oversight over those who are in the position to exploit the vulnerable and thus place horrendous costs on society. A cripple only benefits the doctor treating him or her. And, the AMA does not police themselves.
The AMA is always present in Washington spending huge sums on lobbyists. They spend as much on lobbists as the tobacco industry had in its glory. Their major concern is to prevent regulatory oversight.
Ever notice that the politicians always talk about the drug and insurance companies and never mention the other third leg of the stool; the health care profession? Who prescribes the drugs? Who generates the billing? Who controls the costs of health care? Start informing your representatives that you want the health industry policed. They need independent oversight and teeth added to state statutes for failure to inform and offer viable alternative treatments. That is what the medical profession fears most, teeth in the statutes for failure to inform and independent oversight over standards of care. That is why they spend the big bucks on lobbyists.
Informed women have the power to make changes. These practices do not just affect us, but our husbands, children and all those we love. They too are being victimized by the 'art of medicine.'
Keep up the good work Hers for informing women what really happens when they have a hysterectomy and castration.
I had a Hysterectomy 2 yrs. ago due to a fibriod tumor. I was barely 30 with 3 young children. Thier was complecations. I have lost the use of my bladder & have to use self catheterization. I have nerve damage in my bladder and bowel witch is leaving me in horribl pain in my bowel, bladder & back. I have been in such sevier pain I have no life. My every function is so painful & sence I have to eat & use the bathroom every day the pain never ends. I feel like that doctor just cut me up inside and didnt care how he put me back together. I have grown a hate for all doctors, because no one will help me because it stems from that surgery. I would love to be apart of HERS Foundation but I still am so sick I can’t do much. The doctor that did my hysterectomy is doing hysterectomy on girls in ther mid twentys I feel like this man needs to be stopped!!!!!!!! They all need to be stopped!!!!!!!
I had a hysterectomy 5 years ago and have many health problems because of it. The surgery has all but destroyed my quality of life as I remember it. I suffer pain in my bones and muscles- urinary incontinence and the problems go on and on. I stopped seeing a doctor shortly after the surgery because, they said the pain and disconforts that I had were not related to the surgery. I need help with some of the problems that I have tried to deal with. I hope to be able to get some help to improve my quality of life. I was shocked to find the list of problems on your web site and that everyone is talking about here that I have experienced and was told it was not related. I have had so much to deal with since my hysterectomy and had no one I could talk to. I have felt like a 90 year old at the age of 39. I was fit and active. It is an ordeal to do anything these days. I'm a very different person in a lot of ways. I’m so glad I finally have someone to talk to!
I am a professional singer.
In 2002, while a grad music student at Ohio State, I had an ultrasound performed at the Ohio State ob-gyn clinic. I had several fibroids and my uterus size was about a 16 week gestation, I was told. I was 40 at the time. The head of the department, Michael Blumenfeld, was supposed to have been at the exam, but had "important" meetings he "couldn't get out of." So he called me later at home, and began by making a comment about how I couldn't wear bikinis any more, and immediately mentioned hysterectomy as a "solution."
I was furious at this comment. It came across as very sexist, as if I should want to go through major surgery that at the very least would rob me of at least six months of normal life just so I could "wear a bikini." I asked him how he though I would look after a hysterectomy, when my uterus was gone and my internal organs were just sort of floating about. He shot back that the uterus shrinks to such a minimal size after menopause that it doesn't provide any kind of support to the abdominal organs anyway, so it wouldn't make any difference. If I didn't want more children, I didn't need it, he said.
The larynx is extremely sensitive to hormonal changes. Most MD's don't even know this. Since I am a professional singer, any kind of surgery not only put me at a high risk for laryngeal injuries because of the intubation, but losing my uterus would cause hormonal disruption that could easily end my career, as well as a very important aspect of my personality and means of expression. I didn't even know all of the other horrible effects of hysterectomy then; I just knew that losing my voice would be devastating. I still had a year to go on my masters, and was planning on pursuing a doctorate in music. I knew that a hysterectomy would force me to lose at least 6 months of study, completely disrupting my studies. In my particular program, this would result in my graduating 18 months later than I should have. But Blumenfeld really put the pressure on to do something immediately. He seemed to suggest that the fibroids would cause some horrible life-threatening complications, but did not give specifics.
Then he said if I really didn't want a hysterectomy, I could have a UAE. I knew that this required taking strong drugs that put one into instant menopause, so that the fibroids shrank somewhat before the surgery. This would also ruin my singing voice. So I told him that was not an option. "Well, you need to do something," he warned. "You do not want to wait on this." I did not believe him, and the conversation did not end with pleasantries.
Later, I went to see Dr. Teresa Quinlan in Lancaster, Ohio, an MD who practices naturopathic medicine. Dr. Quinlan informed me how destructive and painful the UAE procedure was, affirming my suspicions.
It was around this time that I came across HERS, and realized that I had avoided destroying my life with a hysterectomy or UAE. All my suspicions about these operations were true, and even worse than I had imagined. I was horrified to read what women really suffer, and even more horrified that a medical doctor considered such a surgery to be a solution for not being "able" to wear a bikini.
Five years later, my fibroids have grown. But I am fine. Yes, my abdomen is larger than it used to be and my periods are heavy. I thought I might be anemic, because I am a vegetarian in addition, but just by eating a huge amount of dark leafy greens, as recommended by Dr. Joseph Fuhrman,my hemoglobin levels are above the minimum, even though I earlier had a history of iron-deficiency anemia. How many other women are told they have to have a hysterectomy because they are anemic? Does the doctor ever suggest nutrition to alleviate the anemia? And even if I feel quite tired for a few days a month, and have to be careful about being near a restroom, even if I miss work once in a while, I feel fine the rest of the time. And when I exercise regularly and eat a very nutrient dense vegetarian diet, my periods are not as heavy. What doctor every mentions these things as possibilities to try before resorting to hysterectomy?
I am not thrilled about having the fibroids, but I now have quit living in constant fear. I have nearly finished my doctorate and have interviews at several universities for teaching jobs. I have travelled to Europe on academic fellowships twice since 2002. My relationship with my husband is very happy and fulfilling. I have energy to hike in the mountains with my two grown sons.
As a musician, my personality and "affect" is key to my creativity and career. This field requires a lot of energy and motivation in addition. To think that this barbaric surgery could have robbed me not only of my voice, but my whole self, my career, my creativity, and my marriage, outrages me. I am very, very sorry for those women who had less information than I did and were deceived into thinking their lives would be better after a hysterectomy.
I now work with a naturopathic physician and with Dr.Fuhrman, using nutrition to strengthen my body and keep my body weight as low as possible to reduce estrogen levels. In a few years I will reach menopause and the fibroids will start to shrink. I am extremely grateful to HERS for shedding the light on what hysterectomy does, preventing me from being frightened into this horrendous abuse of women.
August 15, 2005 was the day my life was forever pulled out from under me, the day I was hysterectomized and castrated. I signed away my own life when I signed the consent form and "gave permission" for the doctor to remove both ovaries, uterus, fallopian tubes, and cervix due to endometriosis. I did this reluctantly as I was led to believe this was my last option (which I know now it was not). I was promised that I would be given hrt due to my